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GoldenageGoldenage Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭✭✭

I’ve never owned one. Are they worth the extra money ? I’ve always been fine without the shine, but they look real nice.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,892 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, they are well worth owning. They are the only UHR US coins that are affordable to most coin collectors and they are truly beautiful coins.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The UHR is a truly beautiful coin, and - IMO - worth the money. Cheers, RickO

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,824 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sure, best thing the mint has done lately, I assume you are referring to the 09 UHR. It is gold and reasonably affordable.

  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @UltraHighRelief said:
    I like them too!

    Hmm... how could anyone tell... :D

  • philographerphilographer Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would prefer one of the $2.5 million UHRs, but a $2,300 one will have to do.

    He who knows he has enough is rich.

  • CoinlearnerCoinlearner Posts: 2,503 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The originals are out of reach but the 09 UHR are nice

  • ɹoʇɔǝlloɔɹoʇɔǝlloɔ Posts: 1,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    oh man, the roman numerals are sweet - why did they ever get rid of those on the ages?

  • PedzolaPedzola Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They should just make UHR's every year as a new bullion coin. B) MMXXI

  • ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2020 6:34AM

    Just for fun, this is Hansen's UHR :)
    PR69 pop 1 & zero higher

  • PedzolaPedzola Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fun indeed. I imagine this is the ultimate "dream coin" for many gold collectors. Except I'm not sure I can even dream about having enough $$ to buy a coin like this!

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 5,065 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2020 6:54PM
    type date name quantity grades prices
    1 1907 UHR / EX-HR 18 known PR-67 - PR-69 $2 m - $3 m
    2 1907 HR 11,250 struck AU-55 - MS-68 $14 k - $400 k
    3 1907 UHR piedfort J1917 2 known - Smithsonian PR $not available
    4 2009 UHR piedfort PL 9,315 struck PL-63 - PL-70 $2.2 k - $3.5 k
    5 2009 UHR piedfort MS 83,500 struck MS-63 - MS-70 $2.2 k - $2.7 k
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,422 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Pedzola said:
    They should just make UHR's every year as a new bullion coin. B) MMXXI

    I'd vote for a 10 oz version with a mintage of 250 pieces, by lottery.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,892 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MrEureka said:

    @Pedzola said:
    They should just make UHR's every year as a new bullion coin. B) MMXXI

    I'd vote for a 10 oz version with a mintage of 250 pieces, by lottery.

    The US Mint has no business running a lottery or purposely issuing special low mintage coins that enrich a small number of buyers.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin to own.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Pedzola said:
    They should just make UHR's every year as a new bullion coin. B) MMXXI

    I'd vote for a 10 oz version with a mintage of 250 pieces, by lottery.

    The US Mint has no business running a lottery or purposely issuing special low mintage coins that enrich a small number of buyers.

    Lotteries are bad. Make it an auction so the party making the money is the US government!

  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,757 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree, the idea makes me cringe. Either make them available or not, and just guarantee buyers a coin if at HH limit and for a short window of time.

    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,892 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @7Jaguars said:
    I agree, the idea makes me cringe. Either make them available or not, and just guarantee buyers a coin if at HH limit and for a short window of time.

    That's what they did except the "short window of time" was about two minutes. :#
    The mint should limit the sale period to about a week and mint as many coins as they get orders for. The mint should wait until after the order period closes before announcing the actual mintage. A lot of flippers will avoid these coins because they can't be sure that the mintage will be low enough to make a quick profit.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,757 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, much better put there Perry.

    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • csdotcsdot Posts: 707 ✭✭✭✭

    It is a very special coin, and the best made by the US Mint in many decades.

    Was anyone else surprised when it arrived and was only the diameter of a $10 eagle, although thicker?

  • PedzolaPedzola Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @csdot said:
    Was anyone else surprised when it arrived and was only the diameter of a $10 eagle, although thicker?

    Yes, it seems too small. Pretty sure I weighed it in the capsule. :D

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,422 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Pedzola said:
    They should just make UHR's every year as a new bullion coin. B) MMXXI

    I'd vote for a 10 oz version with a mintage of 250 pieces, by lottery.

    The US Mint has no business running a lottery or purposely issuing special low mintage coins that enrich a small number of buyers.

    Lotteries are bad. Make it an auction so the party making the money is the US government!

    It depends on your perspective. Would you prefer to enrich the government at the expense of the collecting community, or enrich the collecting community at the expense of nobody?

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2020 1:15PM

    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Pedzola said:
    They should just make UHR's every year as a new bullion coin. B) MMXXI

    I'd vote for a 10 oz version with a mintage of 250 pieces, by lottery.

    The US Mint has no business running a lottery or purposely issuing special low mintage coins that enrich a small number of buyers.

    Lotteries are bad. Make it an auction so the party making the money is the US government!

    It depends on your perspective. Would you prefer to enrich the government at the expense of the collecting community, or enrich the collecting community at the expense of nobody?

    I imagine most of the lottery winnings go to dealers who know how to game the system, like hiring homeless people or building bots.

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,422 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Pedzola said:
    They should just make UHR's every year as a new bullion coin. B) MMXXI

    I'd vote for a 10 oz version with a mintage of 250 pieces, by lottery.

    The US Mint has no business running a lottery or purposely issuing special low mintage coins that enrich a small number of buyers.

    Lotteries are bad. Make it an auction so the party making the money is the US government!

    It depends on your perspective. Would you prefer to enrich the government at the expense of the collecting community, or enrich the collecting community at the expense of nobody?

    I imagine most of the lottery winnings go to dealers who know how to game the system, like hiring homeless people or building bots.

    A lottery would eliminate much of their edge.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2020 1:18PM

    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Pedzola said:
    They should just make UHR's every year as a new bullion coin. B) MMXXI

    I'd vote for a 10 oz version with a mintage of 250 pieces, by lottery.

    The US Mint has no business running a lottery or purposely issuing special low mintage coins that enrich a small number of buyers.

    Lotteries are bad. Make it an auction so the party making the money is the US government!

    It depends on your perspective. Would you prefer to enrich the government at the expense of the collecting community, or enrich the collecting community at the expense of nobody?

    I imagine most of the lottery winnings go to dealers who know how to game the system, like hiring homeless people or building bots.

    A lottery would eliminate much of their edge.

    Just like hiring homeless people, they would just get many people to put in to the lottery for them, unless it was like PowerBall where very few prizes are handed out.

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,422 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Pedzola said:
    They should just make UHR's every year as a new bullion coin. B) MMXXI

    I'd vote for a 10 oz version with a mintage of 250 pieces, by lottery.

    The US Mint has no business running a lottery or purposely issuing special low mintage coins that enrich a small number of buyers.

    Lotteries are bad. Make it an auction so the party making the money is the US government!

    It depends on your perspective. Would you prefer to enrich the government at the expense of the collecting community, or enrich the collecting community at the expense of nobody?

    I imagine most of the lottery winnings go to dealers who know how to game the system, like hiring homeless people or building bots.

    A lottery would eliminate much of their edge.

    Just like hiring homeless people, they would just get many people to put in to the lottery for them, unless it was like PowerBall where very few prizes are handed out.

    That's so low tech that anybody can play that game.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2020 1:20PM

    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Pedzola said:
    They should just make UHR's every year as a new bullion coin. B) MMXXI

    I'd vote for a 10 oz version with a mintage of 250 pieces, by lottery.

    The US Mint has no business running a lottery or purposely issuing special low mintage coins that enrich a small number of buyers.

    Lotteries are bad. Make it an auction so the party making the money is the US government!

    It depends on your perspective. Would you prefer to enrich the government at the expense of the collecting community, or enrich the collecting community at the expense of nobody?

    I imagine most of the lottery winnings go to dealers who know how to game the system, like hiring homeless people or building bots.

    A lottery would eliminate much of their edge.

    Just like hiring homeless people, they would just get many people to put in to the lottery for them, unless it was like PowerBall where very few prizes are handed out.

    That's so low tech that anybody can play that game.

    Agree something with Powerball-like odds could work to reduce gaming the system, though it might turn off people the same way some don't play Powerball ;)

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,422 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Pedzola said:
    They should just make UHR's every year as a new bullion coin. B) MMXXI

    I'd vote for a 10 oz version with a mintage of 250 pieces, by lottery.

    The US Mint has no business running a lottery or purposely issuing special low mintage coins that enrich a small number of buyers.

    Lotteries are bad. Make it an auction so the party making the money is the US government!

    It depends on your perspective. Would you prefer to enrich the government at the expense of the collecting community, or enrich the collecting community at the expense of nobody?

    I imagine most of the lottery winnings go to dealers who know how to game the system, like hiring homeless people or building bots.

    A lottery would eliminate much of their edge.

    Just like hiring homeless people, they would just get many people to put in to the lottery for them, unless it was like PowerBall where very few prizes are handed out.

    That's so low tech that anybody can play that game.

    Agree something with Powerball-like odds could work to reduce gaming the system, though it might turn off people the same way some don't play Powerball ;)

    If we're talking about a coin that the Mint would sell for 25K, they probably won't get as many players as Powerball. For starters, anyone who wants to play will need 25K in available credit on his credit card.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2020 1:29PM

    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Pedzola said:
    They should just make UHR's every year as a new bullion coin. B) MMXXI

    I'd vote for a 10 oz version with a mintage of 250 pieces, by lottery.

    The US Mint has no business running a lottery or purposely issuing special low mintage coins that enrich a small number of buyers.

    Lotteries are bad. Make it an auction so the party making the money is the US government!

    It depends on your perspective. Would you prefer to enrich the government at the expense of the collecting community, or enrich the collecting community at the expense of nobody?

    I imagine most of the lottery winnings go to dealers who know how to game the system, like hiring homeless people or building bots.

    A lottery would eliminate much of their edge.

    Just like hiring homeless people, they would just get many people to put in to the lottery for them, unless it was like PowerBall where very few prizes are handed out.

    That's so low tech that anybody can play that game.

    Agree something with Powerball-like odds could work to reduce gaming the system, though it might turn off people the same way some don't play Powerball ;)

    If we're talking about a coin that the Mint would sell for 25K, they probably won't get as many players as Powerball. For starters, anyone who wants to play will need 25K in available credit on his credit card.

    At $25K, I think you can be less worried about people gaming the system. I'd be more worried about the price sinking on the secondary market as markets at that price are very thin for moderns. It might work for R8 patterns.

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,422 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @MrEureka said:

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    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Pedzola said:
    They should just make UHR's every year as a new bullion coin. B) MMXXI

    I'd vote for a 10 oz version with a mintage of 250 pieces, by lottery.

    The US Mint has no business running a lottery or purposely issuing special low mintage coins that enrich a small number of buyers.

    Lotteries are bad. Make it an auction so the party making the money is the US government!

    It depends on your perspective. Would you prefer to enrich the government at the expense of the collecting community, or enrich the collecting community at the expense of nobody?

    I imagine most of the lottery winnings go to dealers who know how to game the system, like hiring homeless people or building bots.

    A lottery would eliminate much of their edge.

    Just like hiring homeless people, they would just get many people to put in to the lottery for them, unless it was like PowerBall where very few prizes are handed out.

    That's so low tech that anybody can play that game.

    Agree something with Powerball-like odds could work to reduce gaming the system, though it might turn off people the same way some don't play Powerball ;)

    If we're talking about a coin that the Mint would sell for 25K, they probably won't get as many players as Powerball. For starters, anyone who wants to play will need 25K in available credit on his credit card.

    At $25K, I think you can be less worried about people gaming the system. I'd be more worried about the price sinking on the secondary market as markets at that price are very thin for moderns. It might work for R8 patterns.

    Unfortunately, the market for 10 oz gold coins at 25K has broader support than the market for 25K patterns. Very unfortunately.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2020 1:33PM

    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Pedzola said:
    They should just make UHR's every year as a new bullion coin. B) MMXXI

    I'd vote for a 10 oz version with a mintage of 250 pieces, by lottery.

    The US Mint has no business running a lottery or purposely issuing special low mintage coins that enrich a small number of buyers.

    Lotteries are bad. Make it an auction so the party making the money is the US government!

    It depends on your perspective. Would you prefer to enrich the government at the expense of the collecting community, or enrich the collecting community at the expense of nobody?

    I imagine most of the lottery winnings go to dealers who know how to game the system, like hiring homeless people or building bots.

    A lottery would eliminate much of their edge.

    Just like hiring homeless people, they would just get many people to put in to the lottery for them, unless it was like PowerBall where very few prizes are handed out.

    That's so low tech that anybody can play that game.

    Agree something with Powerball-like odds could work to reduce gaming the system, though it might turn off people the same way some don't play Powerball ;)

    If we're talking about a coin that the Mint would sell for 25K, they probably won't get as many players as Powerball. For starters, anyone who wants to play will need 25K in available credit on his credit card.

    At $25K, I think you can be less worried about people gaming the system. I'd be more worried about the price sinking on the secondary market as markets at that price are very thin for moderns. It might work for R8 patterns.

    Unfortunately, the market for 10 oz gold coins at 25K has broader support than the market for 25K patterns. Very unfortunately.

    I haven't seen US 10 oz gold coins yet, but China and other countries do have large gold coins. It would be interesting to see how the US market would respond to such a coin.

    At the same time, I don't see strong demand for large US gold medals like this:

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2020 1:48PM

    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

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    @MrEureka said:

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    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Zoins said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @Pedzola said:
    They should just make UHR's every year as a new bullion coin. B) MMXXI

    I'd vote for a 10 oz version with a mintage of 250 pieces, by lottery.

    The US Mint has no business running a lottery or purposely issuing special low mintage coins that enrich a small number of buyers.

    Lotteries are bad. Make it an auction so the party making the money is the US government!

    It depends on your perspective. Would you prefer to enrich the government at the expense of the collecting community, or enrich the collecting community at the expense of nobody?

    I imagine most of the lottery winnings go to dealers who know how to game the system, like hiring homeless people or building bots.

    A lottery would eliminate much of their edge.

    Just like hiring homeless people, they would just get many people to put in to the lottery for them, unless it was like PowerBall where very few prizes are handed out.

    That's so low tech that anybody can play that game.

    Agree something with Powerball-like odds could work to reduce gaming the system, though it might turn off people the same way some don't play Powerball ;)

    If we're talking about a coin that the Mint would sell for 25K, they probably won't get as many players as Powerball. For starters, anyone who wants to play will need 25K in available credit on his credit card.

    At $25K, I think you can be less worried about people gaming the system. I'd be more worried about the price sinking on the secondary market as markets at that price are very thin for moderns. It might work for R8 patterns.

    Unfortunately, the market for 10 oz gold coins at 25K has broader support than the market for 25K patterns. Very unfortunately.

    Here's a question. Why isn't there more demand for modern, large US gold coins, or are you saying there is? Should Director Ryder start making 10 oz gold coins? Is the Mint authorized to make 10 oz gold quarters ;)

    China makes a lot of 5 oz gold coins. This one even has a mintage of 3,000! :o

    This PCGS PR68DCAM is offered for $12K now.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2020 1:46PM

    @PerryHall said:
    The mint should limit the sale period to about a week and mint as many coins as they get orders for. The mint should wait until after the order period closes before announcing the actual mintage. A lot of flippers will avoid these coins because they can't be sure that the mintage will be low enough to make a quick profit.

    I think this is the best solution.

  • oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Have never paid attention to bullion, until now, thanks to this thread. I like what I see raw on eBay. Especially the 2009 UHR, nice presentation. Guess I'm getting soft.

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