checking w the experts [SP70 FDOI rim damage?]

ɹoʇɔǝlloɔ · November 9, 2020 8:13AM

recently picked up an SP70 FDOI 2020-W palladium eagle from a longtime, trusted seller on ebay, BUT I want to make sure I'm not missing something

is it possible to have a perfect grade coin w so much rim damage?

are there other things - outside of looking up and confirming cert #, which i already have - to validate authenticity?

thanks in advance

TurtleCat · November 9, 2020 8:23AM

I’m no expert on the 70 grade but I wonder if what you’re seeing is the result of the collar and totally acceptable as-struck.

ifthevamzarockin · November 9, 2020 8:30AM

I would not call that a 70.
This is not the sellers fault, they listed a 70 and that is what you got.
You may want to be very nice with the seller and ask if they could do an exchange or what other options they have.
You may be able to send it back to PCGS for their guarantee.
Did the listing show the exact coin or was it a stock photo?

matt_dac · November 9, 2020 8:30AM

From my recent experience with the purchase of a Matte PF70 gold Robbins Apollo 11 restrike medal, yes, and it bothered me so much I returned it. I bought one raw that looked MUCH better, and was content with the 69 grade I got. The rim damage on the 70 was really obvious and distracting. My 69 is much cleaner and nicer than that 70 I first bought.

ɹoʇɔǝlloɔ · November 9, 2020 8:32AM

@TurtleCat said:
I’m no expert on the 70 grade but I wonder if what you’re seeing is the result of the collar and totally acceptable as-struck.

thanks turtlecat - I could see maybe the bottom obverse and MAYBE the reverse rim damage being due to that, but the top of obverse rim damage is incredibly ugly - its hard for me to believe a grader at pcgs was like, "yes - flawless specimen" 😅

ɹoʇɔǝlloɔ · November 9, 2020 8:35AM

@ifthevamzarockin said:
I would not call that a 70.
This is not the sellers fault, they listed a 70 and that is what you got.
You may want to be very nice with the seller and ask if they could do an exchange or what other options they have.
You may be able to send back it to PCGS for their guarantee.
Did the listing show the exact coin or was it a stock photo?

seller has no questions 30 day return policy, so will see what I can work out with them - agree its not their fault, but how did our host grade this perfect 70?

listing was apparently stock

ɹoʇɔǝlloɔ · November 9, 2020 8:36AM

@matt_dac said:
From my recent experience with the purchase of a Matte PF70 gold Robbins Apollo 11 restrike medal, yes, and it bothered me so much I returned it. I bought one raw that looked MUCH better, and was content with the 69 grade I got. The rim damage on the 70 was really obvious and distracting. My 69 is much cleaner and nicer than that 70 I first bought.

thanks for relaying you thoughts and experience, Matt - what a headache

ifthevamzarockin · November 9, 2020 8:43AM

@ɹoʇɔǝlloɔ said:
seller has no questions 30 day return policy, so will see what I can work out with them - agree its not their fault, but how did our host grade this perfect 70?

listing was apparently stock

Be very kind with the seller and see if they can work things out for you, send them your photos.
This is a learning opportunity for you about buying from stock photos. ( not being hard on you )

ifthevamzarockin · November 9, 2020 8:57AM

@ɹoʇɔǝlloɔ "but how did our host grade this perfect 70?"

Our host or any other grading company grades 1,000's of coins per day.
Coins are graded by humans and humans make mistakes.
That is why they have a guarantee in place.
2020 is a great example that it's not a perfect world we live in.

Don't worry or get upset, I know it is a larger purchase.
I'm sure the seller or our host will make sure you are a happy camper.

Edited to add: The seller has outstanding feedback and seems very focused on customer service.

ɹoʇɔǝlloɔ · November 9, 2020 9:13AM

thanks for the feedback everyone - working w seller

ifthevamzarockin · November 9, 2020 9:15AM

Let us know how things turn out.

MsMorrisine · November 9, 2020 9:18AM

when you see a hundred of an issue and they all have the same issue in the same place, it is concluded that the rims were not fully struck up.

at this point they get graded "as struck," similar to if it had a minor strike through on it. that's the way it was born.

this is not the first report of rims not fully struck.

if you return for an exchange, you may find you get one with a only slightly better rim strike.

ɹoʇɔǝlloɔ · November 9, 2020 9:23AM

@ifthevamzarockin said:
Let us know how things turn out.

will!

ifthevamzarockin · November 9, 2020 9:24AM

@MsMorrisine Very good point. This one seems to have the same problem.

ɹoʇɔǝlloɔ · November 9, 2020 9:24AM

@MsMorrisine said:
when you see a hundred of an issue and they all have the same issue in the same place, it is concluded that the rims were not fully struck up.

at this point they get graded "as struck," similar to if it had a minor strike through on it. that's the way it was born.

this is not the first report of rims not fully struck.

if you return for an exchange, you may find you get one with a only slightly better rim strike.

thank you msmorrisine - helpful to know

airplanenut · November 9, 2020 9:29AM

@MsMorrisine said:
when you see a hundred of an issue and they all have the same issue in the same place, it is concluded that the rims were not fully struck up.

at this point they get graded "as struck," similar to if it had a minor strike through on it. that's the way it was born.

this is not the first report of rims not fully struck.

if you return for an exchange, you may find you get one with a only slightly better rim strike.

Or no better at all. The real key is that if you have a seller with a large stock who is willing to look through all of them to find the best example, you may come out ahead. If you just get the next one in the box, it might be no better and could be worse.

Years ago I bought a camera lens which (unbeknownst to me at the time) was wrought with lens creep, meaning the rotating part of the lens that controls zoom isn't tight enough, so pointed down enough, it'll zoom on its own. Since I was using it on a copy stand (pointing straight down) this was a big problem. I exchanged the lens and the seller apparently didn't see (or ignored) what I had requested, and I got another with the exact same problem. I eventually figured out a solution and kept the new one, but the example seems relevant here (all the more so because at least I had a problem that could be fixed--if you don't like something on a coin, it will always bother you). As it happens, reading up on the issue, it seems like most of that specific lens had this issue, so my odds weren't great of ever getting a perfect one. Kind of like this coin

ricko · November 9, 2020 9:39AM

I have seen rim anomalies on coins graded 70 before... minor, yes, but there.... seems that these are considered 'as struck' and do not preclude the 70 grade. Cheers, RickO

ɹoʇɔǝlloɔ · November 9, 2020 10:29AM

really appreciate the insight, all

contacted seller, seller is completely sold out; none to exchange - will be keeping, i guess

ifthevamzarockin · November 9, 2020 11:12AM

@ɹoʇɔǝlloɔ "will be keeping, i guess"

Thanks for the update!
It is till a beautiful coin and it is not distracting.
Very good chance an exchange may have the same or worse.

ɹoʇɔǝlloɔ · November 9, 2020 11:44AM

@ifthevamzarockin said:
@ɹoʇɔǝlloɔ "will be keeping, i guess"

Thanks for the update!
It is till a beautiful coin and it is not distracting.
Very good chance an exchange may have the same or worse.

yes, not overly bummed - still happy to have this pair up w my 2018-w proof - need to get that one graded; still sitting raw

checking w the experts [SP70 FDOI rim damage?]

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