V75 ASE secondary market value in a few years estimates?
V75 ASE secondary market value in a few years estimates! Let's hear them.
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1.1x their bullion value.
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The ASE - $500 - it's a new type of ASE with privy mark with a relatively low mintage
The AGE - $10,000 a mintage of 1945 for a popular modern is an ultra rarity.1 -
I'm not a prognosticator, I'm a flipper at any price.
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Why wait two years? Take your profit now and move on to the next "flipper" issue.
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@shaney777 said:
@PQueue said:
1.1x their bullion value.You don't believe it can be compared to the 100K mintage ASE from 2011 or 2012? It's worth around $225 raw.
Did you want to hear opinions from others, or did you want to state yours?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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It’s an artificial rarity but with a mintage higher than many 19th century proof coins. There are a lot of people interested in WWII for various reasons that will sustain the value for a while but will there be the same interest in 5 or 10 years? I tend to think not. But maybe in 25 years when it’ll be 100 years it may be in demand.
Just my 2c worth and I haven’t stayed in any branded hotel recently.
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The privy I don't think adds value, the mintage does. Lots of RCM/Perth privy stuff, adds a couple bucks but it's overdone now.
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For collectors it is a necessary evil. You need it to complete the run
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@Mgarmy said:
For collectors it is a necessary evil. You need it to complete the runIs it a part of the PCGS and ATS ASE Registry Sets?
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@MFeld said:
@shaney777 said:
@PQueue said:
1.1x their bullion value.You don't believe it can be compared to the 100K mintage ASE from 2011 or 2012? It's worth around $225 raw.
Did you want to hear opinions from others, or did you want to state yours?
Why not both?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire2 -
@shaney777.... Welcome aboard. It will have short term flipper value in the low to mid hundreds - maybe even higher the first week or two. Then it will stabilize for a couple of years, and then dip further. As the Greatest Generation disappears, the value will erode. At the 100 year mark there could be some revived interest, but the new issue then from the mint will overshadow it. Cheers, RickO
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@TurtleCat said:
It’s an artificial rarity ....Yup. Just like the 1894-S dime, the 1913 Liberty nickel and many other coins.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire1 -
@MFeld said:
@shaney777 said:
@PQueue said:
1.1x their bullion value.You don't believe it can be compared to the 100K mintage ASE from 2011 or 2012? It's worth around $225 raw.
Did you want to hear opinions from others, or did you want to state yours?
I am more offering a sensible pushback to hear an explanation of why he thinks the coin will basically be worthless later.
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@ricko said:
@shaney777.... Welcome aboard. It will have short term flipper value in the low to mid hundreds - maybe even higher the first week or two. Then it will stabilize for a couple of years, and then dip further. As the Greatest Generation disappears, the value will erode. At the 100 year mark there could be some revived interest, but the new issue then from the mint will overshadow it. Cheers, RickOThank you for the greeting! :-)
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@TwoSides2aCoin said:
I'm not a prognosticator, I'm a flipper at any price.Free money!
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@shaney777 said:
@291fifth said:
Why wait two years? Take your profit now and move on to the next "flipper" issue.I plan to keep it indefinitely but won't buy unless it's going to be a good investment.
Collector coins are not a good "investment."
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Will let you know if I get one
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@PerryHall said:
@TurtleCat said:
It’s an artificial rarity ....Yup. Just like the 1894-S dime, the 1913 Liberty nickel and many other coins.
I don’t think those two are artificial rarities of the same ilk as this one.
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@shaney777 said:
@291fifth said:
Why wait two years? Take your profit now and move on to the next "flipper" issue.I plan to keep it indefinitely but won't buy unless it's going to be a good investment.
Generally speaking, coins can be a terrible investment. The bulk of the value will always be about gold. If gold ever goes down substantially you’ll lose a lot of value in the coin. Of course, if it goes up you’ll gain value. Since it’s starting at a pretty high premium to spot price it has some drag before it’ll be profitable long term I suspect.
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@TurtleCat said:
@PerryHall said:
@TurtleCat said:
It’s an artificial rarity ....Yup. Just like the 1894-S dime, the 1913 Liberty nickel and many other coins.
I don’t think those two are artificial rarities of the same ilk as this one.
Yes, they are different. The mintages are much lower and they weren't official releases.
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@Zoins said:
@TurtleCat said:
@PerryHall said:
@TurtleCat said:
It’s an artificial rarity ....Yup. Just like the 1894-S dime, the 1913 Liberty nickel and many other coins.
I don’t think those two are artificial rarities of the same ilk as this one.
Yes, they are different. The mintages are much lower and they weren't official releases.
They were fantasy pieces, IMO, and like other 19th century coins created to enrich those who made them or a select group of insiders. Hence the extra 1804 dollars, certain proofs, restrikes, etc.
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@TurtleCat said:
@Zoins said:
@TurtleCat said:
@PerryHall said:
@TurtleCat said:
It’s an artificial rarity ....Yup. Just like the 1894-S dime, the 1913 Liberty nickel and many other coins.
I don’t think those two are artificial rarities of the same ilk as this one.
Yes, they are different. The mintages are much lower and they weren't official releases.
They were fantasy pieces, IMO, and like other 19th century coins created to enrich those who made them or a select group of insiders. Hence the extra 1804 dollars, certain proofs, restrikes, etc.
Well, the Mint Superintendent's daughter got 3 of the dimes and spent one on ice cream. I doubt that will happen with these.
These at least are official issues, but prices are ruled by mintages.
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@Zoins said:
Well, the Mint Superintendent's daughter got 3 of the dimes and spent one on ice cream. I doubt that will happen with these.These at least are official issues, but prices are ruled by mintages.
Nope, not likely to happen. The pricing will ultimately depend on how many people want to own this. In 5 years will that be >1945 people? That’s what it’ll take to keep the price high. Everyone has their own system to evaluate value, though.
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@TurtleCat said:
@Zoins said:
Well, the Mint Superintendent's daughter got 3 of the dimes and spent one on ice cream. I doubt that will happen with these.These at least are official issues, but prices are ruled by mintages.
Nope, not likely to happen. The pricing will ultimately depend on how many people want to own this. In 5 years will that be >1945 people? That’s what it’ll take to keep the price high. Everyone has their own system to evaluate value, though.
It's still ruled by mintage. With the 1913 nickel, you only need 4 people. 2 to hold and 2 to bid, but the mechanics are the same and based on mintage.
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@ricko said:
@shaney777.... Welcome aboard. It will have short term flipper value in the low to mid hundreds - maybe even higher the first week or two. Then it will stabilize for a couple of years, and then dip further. As the Greatest Generation disappears, the value will erode. At the 100 year mark there could be some revived interest, but the new issue then from the mint will overshadow it. Cheers, RickO@Ricko, my question is, should you flip as is or get it certified hoping for MS70 grade raising the value? I think i's worth too.. Thoughts? Thanks Joe
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My two cents: I asked the question about if you get these should you invest in certification with the potential the MS70 will command a better return.
But I think in general both the silver and goal will be a good investment as some will not get one, high potential to sell out and just simple supply and demand...
Look at the v75 quarters, I have made a great return selling them just because of the privy mark. This will be a one and only and with the reverse change next year, I believe value - Could be wrong
Buy low, sell high, keep what you cherish. Good luck to all, Joe
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I guess I don't get your reply, I know that they are proof which means they could come back at 69 or 70 o there risk - 70 wil command much more return...
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@Joe_360 said:
I guess I don't get your reply, I know that they are proof which means they could come back at 69 or 70 o there risk - 70 wil command much more return...
Proofs are PR69, PR70 big difference than MS69 and MS70 I believe is what @PocketChange is referring too.
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He means they would come back pf 70 if lucky vice ms 70
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75k mintage?
I would bet right around $300Collector, occasional seller
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@Danno44 said:
@Joe_360 said:
I guess I don't get your reply, I know that they are proof which means they could come back at 69 or 70 o there risk - 70 wil command much more return...
Proofs are PR69, PR70 big difference than MS69 and MS70 I believe is what @PocketChange is referring too.
I still don't understand, complete understand the difference between 69 and 70, HENCE why I asked should you just flip as is or get invest in getting the coin certified. Real it's a simple question...
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@Joe_360 said:
@Danno44 said:
@Joe_360 said:
I guess I don't get your reply, I know that they are proof which means they could come back at 69 or 70 o there risk - 70 wil command much more return...
Proofs are PR69, PR70 big difference than MS69 and MS70 I believe is what @PocketChange is referring too.
I still don't understand, complete understand the difference between 69 and 70, HENCE why I asked should you just flip as is or get invest in getting the coin certified. Real it's a simple question...
You are misunderstanding the post...there is a big difference between MS 70 and PF 70, MS 69 and PF 69. This is what he was calling out. If you buy a proof coin, and it comes back with an MS grade, you should be very concerned.
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@matt_dac said:
@Joe_360 said:
@Danno44 said:
@Joe_360 said:
I guess I don't get your reply, I know that they are proof which means they could come back at 69 or 70 o there risk - 70 wil command much more return...
Proofs are PR69, PR70 big difference than MS69 and MS70 I believe is what @PocketChange is referring too.
I still don't understand, complete understand the difference between 69 and 70, HENCE why I asked should you just flip as is or get invest in getting the coin certified. Real it's a simple question...
You are misunderstanding the post...there is a big difference between MS 70 and PF 70, MS 69 and PF 69. This is what he was calling out. If you buy a proof coin, and it comes back with an MS grade, you should be very concerned.
Sorry, I just always say MS, understand that it's a Proof. My question was to cert or not to cert and just flip....
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I cannot see how a pf 70 would not sell more than raw
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Got the order confirmation for silver. In shock!
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Bullion price
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It will never be worth just bullion. The unique V75 privy mark, and the relatively low mintage, will always make it a premium priced SAE. It will always be needed in a complete set.
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@TurtleCat said:
@Zoins said:
Well, the Mint Superintendent's daughter got 3 of the dimes and spent one on ice cream. I doubt that will happen with these.These at least are official issues, but prices are ruled by mintages.
Nope, not likely to happen. The pricing will ultimately depend on how many people want to own this. In 5 years will that be >1945 people? That’s what it’ll take to keep the price high. Everyone has their own system to evaluate value, though.
Not the question. I'm sure it will be at least 10,000 people. Question is will it be >1945 people at, say, a 20% premium to bullion. On that I have no idea. People love to stack gold. People don't love to pay premiums to do it.
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The silver version will settle to the 2-300 dollar range and never imo be a bullion piece. The gold version who knows, the super low mintage will keep it at lofty levels for some time.
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Presale silver pf 70’s on eBay for over a grand as predicted. So much for the naysayers
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It all depends on the number of 70’s. If like the ERP which was 70 heavy you are 100% correct.
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