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Are these dealer's photos juiced or what?!
chesterb
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I do not know this dealer and have never dealt with him but something seems amiss. His website describes him as having "a transformative tenure as head of the American Numismatic Association and a former ANA Board member." My concern is that these photos look juiced and not something that should be acceptable to anyone associated with the ANA. In his defense, at least he isn't hiding it. He's providing the cert numbers and the collector can look these up themselves but it's one thing to juice your own photos and another to juice the ones provided by the TPG. To be honest the TrueViews look more natural so why juice them?? 
Sample of Dealers Photos:
PCGS TrueView:
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Even the PCGS logo is off color and different.
Hecka juiced. Why would you even do that? It looks so unatural. Scammer.
Probably juiced to make the toning/luster appear more spectacular than the TV's portray.
Yes, and that is actually a clue that the color is adjusted.
The coins look better in the PCGS photos, why mess with them?
You should email him and let him know his photo modifications look like sh*t.
Collector, occasional seller
Yes they are enhanced.
It's been discussed here before at length.
Those discussions didn't change anything!
yeah juiced to the max
don't count your chickens before they're hatched
That's not even close to good
Frankly it’s not that big of a deal — yes one shouldn’t mess with a TruView, but they’re all brightened to the same small degree — and on most of the examples here it didn’t really change the look that much — the Ike and Canadian have the biggest change...yet even those TruView’s were glamour shots and my guess is the color is close to the enhanced version, too, dependent upon light source. Glamour shots are usually not worth much anyways.
Do you want to buy a coin from a dealer who juices their photos, a former ANA governor? I guess I see it as a bigger issue than others.
Question the fact that he indirectly suggests that these are in fact the colors of the coins.
he is luring the inexperienced collectors with it.
And, I am suggesting that out host could have an issue with this manipulation as PCGS holds the copyrights ...
Just thinking aloud......
Here are two next to each other.
If it's not a big deal, imagine having a website or mobile app where you can post a new image online after modifying the brightness, contrast, saturation and color levels. If it's okay for one dealer, what about letting all dealers do it easily?
Those coins didn't need enhancement. They are fine as they are. I don't think I'd want to buy anything from that dealer.
When I look at the dealers I like to do business with like RCNH, Dave Kahn and CRO, they would never do anything like this. Their photos look professional and seem conservative and realistic. It just bugs me that someone does this so blatantly.
http://www.simcocoins.com/see-our-coins/
Not really looking for much these days but if I were, it might be a toner.
I like the Indian cent. And I love the Ike-blue skies over the moon!
I don't know why he would want to "guild the lily" with these coins, the TrueVews look great. I don't see a dramatic difference in the seller's photos, though.
I'd guess the dealer and practice is known to PCGS and it's up to PCGS to decide if they want to do anything about it.
Add it to the other tricky rabbit stuff.
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It is deceptive.... but so are many commercial ads....I do not like it, and that is why I research things before I purchase. This applies to everything - cars, houses, firearms, appliances etc.... Sales hyperbole has always been this way. Cheers, RickO
Yeah, I'll use my wife's. Email account for that purpose!
Here's another pair I looked up a while back.
It would be nice to see all the modifications next to the originals, perhaps on Pinterest or something.
Could be the dealer has a crappy monitor and all the TrueViews look dark to them, but on every display at my disposal, the modified ones are all worse.
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
I think it's way over the line into fraud territory. This is not the same as enhancing photo images you take. These aren't dealers photos. He is representing the image is the Trueview taken by PCGS when it is not. Even leaving up how you can verify the authenticity of the image with that cert at etc. I wouldn't hesitate to sue if I fell victim to this.
I think the dealer needs to find a new ophthalmologist.
I thought maybe the same thing, but it looks like only red is boosted on that dime.
Collector, occasional seller
If the seller accepts returns, suing isn't going to get very far. PCGS might not take kindly to their work being misrepresented, though.
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
And the dealer is?
Unfortunately, in my experience there's a lot of overlap between the kind of person who'll use a fake image and the one who'll make it difficult to return.
He could be color blind like me and not know? But being a dealer hmmm? Or he could have a marketing team that did it?
When the True View labels noticeably changed color, that says plenty. Same with people who make PCGS slabs go almost purple with the juicing.
I don't think I'd want to buy coins from that person either.
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My registry sets
What was the dealers explanation when you asked them about it?
Imagine the buyer's reaction opening up his packaged new coin and sees the in-hand view and goes back to compare it to the juiced seller photo (already "enhanced" based upon a potentially red shifted TV). Bet that's an unpleasant surprise. They bought the color and instead got a ho hum coin.
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running like a water color in the rain...."