1974-D 1C Die Cap? Would love some opinions.

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Avery
Avery Posts: 19 ✭✭
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Hi Everbody,

I found this coin in a 1974-D roll from the Denver Branch Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. All of the coins were 1974-D, so I am assuming that this coin is a 1974-D. I would like to get your opinions and any information about this coin. Thank you to all in advance.



🦋Avery

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  • ifthevamzarockin
    ifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 30, 2020 7:30AM
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    Looks good, for a beginning new collector you are on a roll! :)

    Our new member @Avery also has another good find on the Q&A forum. ;)

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1044668/new-to-collecting-new-to-forum-question-regarding-1970-s-ddo-1c-lg-date-coin-that-i-found#latest

  • Avery
    Avery Posts: 19 ✭✭
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    Thanks, it is nice to hear that a couple of my coins that I thought to be a find, are actually alright. Also, thank you for the shout out.☺️ But, I am not doing so hot at posting quite yet. I meant for this one to be in Q & A. That's where it should be, right?

  • ifthevamzarockin
    ifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    You are okay here with this coin. ;)

    At least it is not a parking lot find that is worth a million dollars. :D

    You could drag your other Q&A photos to this thread if you want. ;)
    Let me know if you need help

  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Avery.... Nice find, definitely an error coin. Certainly appropriate to post here on this forum. Cheers, RickO

  • FredWeinberg
    FredWeinberg Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Actually, looking again at the photos,
    it was struck thru a thinning unstruck
    Planchet, not a previously struck coin.

    My error....

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  • JBK
    JBK Posts: 17,862 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nice find!

  • LanceNewmanOCC
    LanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Avery said:
    Hi Everbody,

    I found this coin in a 1974-D roll from the Denver Branch Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. All of the coins were 1974-D, so I am assuming that this coin is a 1974-D. I would like to get your opinions and any information about this coin. Thank you to all in advance.

    try to match up the reverse polish/gouge lines from the error to the other coins to lock it in. keep a few for comparison.

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  • IkesT
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    edited September 29, 2020 3:43PM
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    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    @Avery said:
    Hi Everbody,

    I found this coin in a 1974-D roll from the Denver Branch Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. All of the coins were 1974-D, so I am assuming that this coin is a 1974-D. I would like to get your opinions and any information about this coin. Thank you to all in advance.

    try to match up the reverse polish/gouge lines from the error to the other coins to lock it in. keep a few for comparison.

    Yes, it would be really neat if you had 1974-D cents with reverse die markers that match the error coin.

    If so, it would also be neat to have the error coin certified with one of the others, as a pair, and the TPG could use the normal 1974-D cent to date the error.

  • dlmtorts
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    Dumb question for Fred. How do you have an unstruck planchet stuck to the obverse die? To be stuck to that die, didn’t it have to be struck by it?

  • JBK
    JBK Posts: 17,862 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @dlmtorts said:
    Dumb question for Fred. How do you have an unstruck planchet stuck to the obverse die? To be stuck to that die, didn’t it have to be struck by it?

    My thought as well, unless two planchets were fed into the striking area and one got capped.

  • JBK
    JBK Posts: 17,862 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @IkesT said:

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    @Avery said:
    Hi Everbody,

    I found this coin in a 1974-D roll from the Denver Branch Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. All of the coins were 1974-D, so I am assuming that this coin is a 1974-D. I would like to get your opinions and any information about this coin. Thank you to all in advance.

    try to match up the reverse polish/gouge lines from the error to the other coins to lock it in. keep a few for comparison.

    Yes, it would be really neat if you had 1974-D cents with reverse die markers that match the error coin.

    If so, it would also be neat to have the error coin certified with one of the others, as a pair, and the TPG could use the normal 1974-D cent to date the error.

    Great idea. I wonder if any microscopic die polish lines can be identified on the cap and the normal cents from the roll.

  • Avery
    Avery Posts: 19 ✭✭
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    ifthevamzarockin, I don't know how to drag the photos from the other thread. I would need your instruction. I uploaded them from my computer for now.


  • Avery
    Avery Posts: 19 ✭✭
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    Thanks to the everyone for your advise. JBK, Great idea! I have the roll it came from, I will see if I can match up the reverse die markers. I will let you know what I find.
    Also, the coin above I found last year about three months into my new found hobby that I absolutely love!
    Everybody, have an excellent day! And, thanks again!

  • ChrisH821
    ChrisH821 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Very cool! If you have another coin in the same roll with the same die scratches on the reverse keep it with that coin to prove that it is a 1974-D. Those are very distinct and will be unquestionably from the same die. Would be a cool double coin holder if sent together to PCGS.

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  • JBK
    JBK Posts: 17,862 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @ChrisH821 said:
    Very cool! If you have another coin in the same roll with the same die scratches on the reverse keep it with that coin to prove that it is a 1974-D. Those are very distinct and will be unquestionably from the same die. Would be a cool double coin holder if sent together to PCGS.

    I took another look at the pics and there are indeed many die polish lines that would seem to prove a match if you have another from the roll.

    @FredWeinberg how would that work? Would PCGS accept this evidence and slab the die cap with a date? Would/could a double slab be arranged to include the "evidence"?

    To @Avery - definitely keep one or two dated examples regardless.

  • messydesk
    messydesk Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    This would seem to be the one that got through. If struck through a thinning unstruck planchet, there should be more of the same. If that's an original roll (solid date, common die markers on the reverse), there would be a good chance of multiples in the roll, provided those additional coins were all the size and shape of a normal cent.

    At any rate, great find!

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  • astrorat
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    Nice find!

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  • Avery
    Avery Posts: 19 ✭✭
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    Thanks for the advice, I will post a pic when I match up the coin to others in the roll. It would be very cool if PCGS determined it was in fact a 1974-D by evidence of the other coins. I actually have two more unopened rolls from the same bank and the same date 1974-D. Maybe I will find another error coin? What are the chances of that happening? Messydesk, you're thinking maybe, yes? I'll keep you posted after I check them today. 🤞🏼

  • JBK
    JBK Posts: 17,862 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I believe that at that time cents were packaged in bags of 5000 cents by the mint and shipped out that way. The banks or armored car companies rolled them. So, you might not fund another capped cent, but the odds are far better than for rolls not from this group.

  • ifthevamzarockin
    ifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Hope you find the other coin it was capped with, that would be a cool matching set! :)

    Can't believe there has not been more comments on your 1970 s , that is a rare coin in any grade and a great coin roll find.

  • messydesk
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    @Avery said:
    Thanks for the advice, I will post a pic when I match up the coin to others in the roll. It would be very cool if PCGS determined it was in fact a 1974-D by evidence of the other coins. I actually have two more unopened rolls from the same bank and the same date 1974-D. Maybe I will find another error coin? What are the chances of that happening? Messydesk, you're thinking maybe, yes? I'll keep you posted after I check them today. 🤞🏼

    Definite maybe. No guarantee, of course, but the thinned die cap struck more coins than just the one you found. If they could be rolled, they probably were.

    John
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  • joeykoins
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    @FredWeinberg said:
    Actually, looking again at the photos,
    it was struck thru a thinning unstruck
    Planchet, not a previously struck coin.

    My error....

    That's ok, Fred. The pro "error" man that you are. Are most certainly allowed to make an error every now and then. Lol

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  • ChrisH821
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    @ifthevamzarockin said:
    Hope you find the other coin it was capped with, that would be a cool matching set! :)

    Can't believe there has not been more comments on your 1970 s , that is a rare coin in any grade and a great coin roll find.

    The 70-S DDO is an astounding find, very rare, easily worth more than this capped die cent I would think. I still need a 70-S DDO for my collection in fact- most collectors do also.
    Here's the CoinFacts:
    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1970-s-1c-doubled-die-obverse-large-date-bn/92937

    It's also way cool to see a roll-fresh, bright red and lustrous capped die cent. :)

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