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ElvisP
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  • ElvisP
    ElvisP Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭
    edited September 3, 2020 2:03PM
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    Note the 2 tiny white dots are not there, must be the light/shadows. I will tell you the surface is flawless. The back is also clean.

  • empigtv
    empigtv Posts: 58 ✭✭
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    Assuming it was graded recently, a really, really nice 5. Possibly with MC qualifier because it has blue borders on both sides of the reverse.

  • brad31
    brad31 Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    My guess would be 5.

  • Moonman
    Moonman Posts: 277 ✭✭✭
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    5

  • tkersting
    tkersting Posts: 138 ✭✭✭
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    5 on most days, the two bottom corners could push it to 4.5 on a bad day.

  • stevegarveyfan
    stevegarveyfan Posts: 583 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    4

  • dtmodel
    dtmodel Posts: 135 ✭✭✭✭
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    5

  • handyman
    handyman Posts: 5,702 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    2

  • nam812
    nam812 Posts: 10,608 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    PSA 6.

    Not what I think, just what I believe it is.

  • LarkinCollector
    LarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @nam812 said:
    PSA 6.

    Not what I think, just what I believe it is.

    Is that a Yogi-ism?

    Who is the Golf Card Guy?
  • ArtVandelay
    ArtVandelay Posts: 886 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 3, 2020 4:39PM
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    I will wager this received a 4 mainly for the rounded corner on the bottom right. With that said, finding a centered 1961 Fleer Jerry West is about as tough as it gets. Beautiful card.

  • nam812
    nam812 Posts: 10,608 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @LarkinCollector said:

    @nam812 said:
    PSA 6.

    Not what I think, just what I believe it is.

    Is that a Yogi-ism?

    No it isn't. What I mean is that I believe he is showing it because it's a PSA 6. He did ask for a guess though, so I will say 5 or 5.5

    The reason I believe he is showing us a PSA 6 is that I've subbed a few of these, and they always came back just slightly better than I thought they would. I'm sure it doesn't, but I've always felt that this card gets a tiny bit of leeway in the grading room.

    Now that I've said all that I'm sure the reveal will be a PSA 3. :D

  • maddux69
    maddux69 Posts: 2,170 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    3.5

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  • JBrules
    JBrules Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    PSA 4 at best. lIkely a 3.5.

  • bobbybakeriv
    bobbybakeriv Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭✭
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    5

  • Dpeck100
    Dpeck100 Posts: 10,916 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    What is going on with the back? Is that serious edge wear or staining in the blue?

  • OAKESY25
    OAKESY25 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭
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    4

  • ahopkins
    ahopkins Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Barring any surface issues that can't be seen in your pic, 5.

    Andy

  • Kepper19
    Kepper19 Posts: 439 ✭✭✭
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    4

  • 1959
    1959 Posts: 694 ✭✭✭✭
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    4.5

  • JBrules
    JBrules Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @nam812 said:

    @LarkinCollector said:

    @nam812 said:
    PSA 6.

    Not what I think, just what I believe it is.

    Is that a Yogi-ism?

    No it isn't. What I mean is that I believe he is showing it because it's a PSA 6. He did ask for a guess though, so I will say 5 or 5.5

    The reason I believe he is showing us a PSA 6 is that I've subbed a few of these, and they always came back just slightly better than I thought they would. I'm sure it doesn't, but I've always felt that this card gets a tiny bit of leeway in the grading room.

    Now that I've said all that I'm sure the reveal will be a PSA 3. :D

    Here is a copy of my PSA 4. I seriously doubt it is a 6. If it is a PSA 6 I need to send my PSA 4 back in. Regardless of the grade it is a sweet looking West rookie.

  • Piggs
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    3.5 or 4 Nice card.

  • DotStore
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    I'd guess between 4 - 5 on the OP

    For the PSA 4 example above, that's a great looking 4! Some surface issues such as minor scratches and paper wrinkles, but eye appeal is very high on that one

  • ElvisP
    ElvisP Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭
    edited September 4, 2020 1:50PM
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    The result is: I was hoping for a 6, happy with a 5 but very disappointed that it is a 4. Apparently PSA only cares about corners when grading cards like this. All 4 corners have touches, but none jump out at you and the centering, surface etc are flawless, When you look at other 4’s with 90/10 centering, rounded/dinged corners, bad surfaces and compare them to this one I just have to shake my head. It is what it is. I did have some good news, on the same sub I sent in 3 broken out 7’s and they came back 8, 8, and 8.5. Anyone think it is a good idea to break out the West and resubmit?

  • handyman
    handyman Posts: 5,702 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 4, 2020 2:22PM
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    Is there a wrinkle on the right edge going to the S in Angels?
    Might be why? hard to see
    Card is nice though

    ACTUALLY. I see a crease bottom right boarder close to the armpit but does not reach it. Like 1 1/2 cm long from the edge.

  • empigtv
    empigtv Posts: 58 ✭✭
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    PSA 4 almost always means a surface issue. Sometimes the issue is not really visible once in the slab. I've had a few with very minor scuffing that is only visible under magnification.

  • mexpo75
    mexpo75 Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭✭
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    My 67 year old eyes are getting too old for this. That is why at this point I will probably only purchase already graded cards.

    PackManInNC
  • handyman
    handyman Posts: 5,702 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Card has a wrinkle and is accurately graded. Will get a premium for centering for sure.

  • bobbybakeriv
    bobbybakeriv Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 4, 2020 8:32PM
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    I guess 5. It's a nice looking card but the corners seem frayed to me.

  • ElvisP
    ElvisP Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭
    edited September 4, 2020 11:30PM
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    @handyman said:
    Is there a wrinkle on the right edge going to the S in Angels?
    Might be why? hard to see
    Card is nice though

    ACTUALLY. I see a crease bottom right boarder close to the armpit but does not reach it. Like 1 1/2 cm long from the edge.

    Handyman, I think you are looking at jbrules card that he posted, not mine.

  • ahopkins
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    Very likely a surface issue. Perhaps, a tiny scratch or wrinkle. Also, the chipping on the left edge may be more serious than my eyes can detect.

    Andy

  • Piggs
    Piggs Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    How about the big reveal?

  • jayhawke
    jayhawke Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭
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    PSA 5 MC

  • JBrules
    JBrules Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @ElvisP said:
    The result is: I was hoping for a 6, happy with a 5 but very disappointed that it is a 4. Apparently PSA only cares about corners when grading cards like this. All 4 corners have touches, but none jump out at you and the centering, surface etc are flawless, When you look at other 4’s with 90/10 centering, rounded/dinged corners, bad surfaces and compare them to this one I just have to shake my head. It is what it is. I did have some good news, on the same sub I sent in 3 broken out 7’s and they came back 8, 8, and 8.5. Anyone think it is a good idea to break out the West and resubmit?

    As far as cracking it out and subbing I think you run a real risk of card coming back min size req. 61 fleers are known for being short. If it were me I would keep it as is and enjoy it. The risk reward on cracking this one out favors more risk in my opinion.

  • ElvisP
    ElvisP Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭
    edited September 5, 2020 7:51PM
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    @Piggs said:
    How about the big reveal?

    It was posted 8 posts above yours, you missed it, lol. It was a 4.

  • ElvisP
    ElvisP Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭
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    @JBrules said:

    @ElvisP said:
    The result is: I was hoping for a 6, happy with a 5 but very disappointed that it is a 4. Apparently PSA only cares about corners when grading cards like this. All 4 corners have touches, but none jump out at you and the centering, surface etc are flawless, When you look at other 4’s with 90/10 centering, rounded/dinged corners, bad surfaces and compare them to this one I just have to shake my head. It is what it is. I did have some good news, on the same sub I sent in 3 broken out 7’s and they came back 8, 8, and 8.5. Anyone think it is a good idea to break out the West and resubmit?

    As far as cracking it out and subbing I think you run a real risk of card coming back min size req. 61 fleers are known for being short. If it were me I would keep it as is and enjoy it. The risk reward on cracking this one out favors more risk in my opinion.

    Yes I think you are right. There is always a risk with these cards of the dreaded min. size. Like yours if we ever want to sell them they should bring a premium for the centering and eye appeal. Like they say buy the card not the holder. 👍

  • Piggs
    Piggs Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @ElvisP Sorry, I was looking for another photo. Nice card, congrats.

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