NEWP - 1938 Jefferson Nickel - GTG (grade revealed with pre-crossover slab)
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Here is the last of my recent crossovers that I have received the results and would like to hear what the forum members have to say about this toner. Thank you for your interest and comments!
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Nice looking nickel. I’d think MS65
I like it. I'll say MS66
MS66 non-FS.
MS66 also nice look!
A lot of small ticks on the reverse above Monticello. Cut on right side of steps. 65 no full steps.
5 (although could be 6), just miss on the steps (mostly because of the gash)
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I’m thinking 65 with all the hits on the portrait but somewhat concealed.
Nice looking nickel. I have been lurking around this forum for a little while and thought I would offer my two cents (or five cents) here. I've also been collecting vintage Jefferson's since 2016 and think I have developed a somewhat decent eye.
To me, the obverse appears 66 or 66+, but the reverse appears only 65 and possibly 66. I'd say 66 non-FS. I do like the machine doubling on the reverse!
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65 no FS.
Those photos are enormous and are making what are very small marks look much worse than they actually are but I still think they are enough to keep it out of an MS67 holder. As for the steps, unlike the other years, the 38 is actually allowed to have both bridges and marks that traverse and break the steps. The key for full steps on the reverse of 38 is a complete 5th step which this coin appears to have from the photo. If that mark on the right side is really egregious, I could see PCGS not awarding the designation, but I am going to assume that once again the size of the photos is making it look worse than it is.
MS66+ FS
A Beaute! Sorry about missing that FS designation. Yes, I agree with the newby, 66+
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I would call it MS65 but would not be surprised if it went 66, there is no way that would be FS if I submitted it, but that designation is a crap shoot anyway.
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Looks like a solid 65 to me.
A very nice Jeff👍
I’m thinking 65 with all the hits on the portrait but somewhat concealed
those aren't "hits" on the obverse at the jawline, they are unstruck planchet flaws, look also to the hair detail at the ear for better evidence of that. the area in question quite often looks like that and "robs" metal flow from the reverse, the reason step detail is often so bad.
It's a coin flip between 65 and 66 for me, the pic makes it look a little dull in which case I'd put it as a 65. If there is more flash / luster in hand then I would call it a 66. Very wholesome coin either way.
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I like it at 66.
Sean, I have seen and owned other 1938's with a similar look in both strike and color. they "pop" and have a pearl-esque look, probably toned from albums.
I like it. Very nice coin!
At first glance it has that 67 look. But I think the scruffy jaw and the field marks above and around the dome push it down to 66. I gave up a long time ago trying to figure out how our hosts decide on R38 FS, so while I don’t think it is, it won’t surprise me at all if it grades FS. My guess is MS66FS. Nice coin.
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Even for a Type I stairs coin, there is far too much detail missing under the third pillar, and the heavy nick under the fourth pillar also counts against the designation. I would be shocked if this got the FS designation.
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66 seems reasonable... No FS. It is a nice looking coin.
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No FS designation.
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MS67 and beautiful golden/red tone.
Super charming 65 nonFS
You might even have this in a 65+ , I can see it.
66+
NGC 67 to PCGS 66 shot 66+
Our host agreed with ANACS on this one; 1938 5C DDO FS-101 (021) MS66 - Tied for Top Pop 2/0
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1938-5c-ddo-fs-101-021/38477
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Still nice grade and even better in the better holder! If it made FS, it might of gotten a + more?
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Still nice grade and even better in the better holder! If it made FS, it might of gotten a + more
no, it works the other way. if the coin is exceptional for its perceived grade and close to the designation, it may be given a plus(+) by PCGS. before the plus(+) half-grade was adopted, NGC would use this kind of thing and add a star(*) to the grade. another example might be a Proof coin with a heavy, one sided Deep Cameo appearance. tha may have gotten a star and might now get a plus.
Looking at a coin such as this should really create an interest in revisiting the FS designation. Clearly the surface space on the coin is minimal in contrast to the portico. A full portico designation would be far more descriptive of the quality of the strike as well as the state of preservation of the coin. I am not holding my breath for a thoughtful and reasonable change to the grading of Jeffersons to be adopted and accepted anytime soon despite how ridiculous the FS designation has proven to be.
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despite how ridiculous the FS designation has proven to be
the only thing ridiculous about the Full Step designation is how its stated definition is judged by the TPG's. I don't know about those aside from PCGS, but our host has a very clearly worded and described definition of what is required for this designation. with regard to the OP coin and similar, they clearly should not be designated "Full Step" just because the rest of the coin looks great. there are clear interruptions and cuts on the steps.
consider that this coin was graded by two TPG's between 20-30 years apart and nothing changed, both times the designation was not assigned.
What is ridiculous Keets...in addition to the only thing you site... Is how such a small percentage of the reverse design and surface can dictate value and collector interest over much larger surface areas that are more of a focal point of the coin design and architectural merit associated with Monticello.
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"Full Steps" is a strike designation just as Full Split Bands and Full Bell Lines relate to the strike being full since the areas noted tend to be at the deepest recesses of the die(s). I have seen coins that are hammered and pristine but not meriting the strike FS designation because of cuts, nicks or bridges. I have seen coins designated FS that have flaws in other areas. it can be hard to know how to price them sometimes.
I gave up on Nickels 20 years ago and sold my coins. right now I don't collect designations, just grades.
I understand that Full Steps is a strike designation... As are Full Bell Lines, Full Spilt Bands and even Full Head. Let's stay with Jefferson Nickels to keep the discussion manageable. There are Jefferson that have full steps but do not have adequate portico detail. What is more of the focal point of the design of the coin... The steps of Monticello or the portico?
Perhaps maybe we can just agree that neither of us collect designations even if it is for different reasons
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