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1914-s buffalo - what do you think?

LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited August 8, 2020 11:52AM in U.S. Coin Forum

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i've had successful transactions with this seller but i saw this buff and something didn't seem right but i let it run because i couldn't fault it. the 9 in the date is the only thing i could really pick on besides the overall look/color.

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,238 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If in doubt ... pass.

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    clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 5,040 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 9 and designers initial are Both pretty wonky.

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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 12,623 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Photos are out of focus so difficult to pinpoint anything.

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    Sometimes hard with photos but nothing looks too off about it to me but surfaces look cleaned

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @clarkbar04 said:
    The 9 and designers initial are Both pretty wonky.

    ty. i forgot the mention that. i check several dates on coinfacts and the F has a continuity of placement which does not appear to be in-line with this coin.

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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,782 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The reverse is one I've seen before. I made mention of it years ago as having an "Embedded" S which touches the "C" in CENT. The mintmark is also genuine, the same on that is on the 1909-S V.D.B. with the flaw.

    That date and initial don't look right, the 9 and the placement of the initial look strange to me.

    The 4 overlapping the 1 in the date also looks weird.

    I don't know what to think of it.

    Here's a pic of a different slabbed coin:

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    1Bufffan1Bufffan Posts: 675 ✭✭✭✭

    I must agree I have never seen the #4 touch the #1 and also the #9 does in fact look questionable, the designers initial are under the left side of the crosslet in 4 are shown in "Buffalo Iron Tails" photo, it will be interesting to find out if it is Genuine. if it isn't it is a darn good "Fake". The reverse would "fool" me it looks to good to be a "fake"

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    images enlarged and made clickable. forgot to do it earlier.

    tyvm for the commentary. i squirmed over what to do about it and the concerns expressed echo my thoughts.

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,233 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1Bufffan said:
    I must agree I have never seen the #4 touch the #1 and also the #9 does in fact look questionable, the designers initial are under the left side of the crosslet in 4 are shown in "Buffalo Iron Tails" photo, it will be interesting to find out if it is Genuine. if it isn't it is a darn good "Fake". The reverse would "fool" me it looks to good to be a "fake"

    A very telling point. Probably enough to condemn it.

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    if it is a counterfeit, it is the first buff i've seen with that good of a mm.

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    toyz4geotoyz4geo Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does the right front hoof look a bit wonky as well?

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BuffaloIronTail said:
    The reverse is one I've seen before. I made mention of it years ago as having an "Embedded" S which touches the "C" in CENT. The mintmark is also genuine, the same on that is on the 1909-S V.D.B. with the flaw.

    That date and initial don't look right, the 9 and the placement of the initial look strange to me.

    The 4 overlapping the 1 in the date also looks weird.

    I don't know what to think of it.

    Here's a pic of a different slabbed coin:

    Pete

    Excellent observation.

    Nice pic too!

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