Do you find this Morgan attractive and what grade would you give it? Slab image included
ajaan
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I like the coin. To me it has character. But I only like it in the $85 range.
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I personally do not find it attractive, I'd grade it VF-35/XF40.
No, not attractive at all. I grade it $20, at most.
Is that a scan? Regardless, approximately what percentage of those who comment, do you think will find the coin to be “attractive”?
It could be AU, but if it’s been graded by either of the big two, my guess is MS63 . And if there were a sticker for “ugly”, at a minimum, I’d affix two or three of them to the holder. 😉
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No and ....just no.
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It is graded by a leading TPG. Question, do graders take into account eye appeal when assigning a grade to a coin?
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Ugly... very ugly.... will not bother to grade it.... Cheers, RickO
No. And it strikes me as XF. Given the date/mint/condition it would have small premium over melt to me.
It’s been my observation that eye appeal is more of a factor in uncirculated conditions (both positive and negative impacts) and as you see lower grades the impact of eye appeal is reduced.
In their YouTube videos, PCGS states that negative eye appeal and dark toning could have a -1 or -2 grade point hit and will limit how high it will grade (for uncirculated coins).
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Yes, of course graders take eye-appeal into account. But my view is that it adds to grades far more frequently than it subtracts from them.
In the case of this coin, if it’s circulated, I don’t think the negative eye-appeal will have much, if any effect on the grade. But if, as I’m guessing, it’s uncirculated, there is likely a one or two point deduction for lack of luster and for its gut-wrenching ugliness.😉
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I find that very interesting.
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No, and AU-something.
Eye appeal is taken into account in grading, but more so with UNC coins.
Looks Au55 to me, I think I see wear on the eagles wing on the reverse. That type of coin tough to grade from images. As said above, it might be in a 63-64 holder. And I agree with what everyone else said about it’s eye appeal.
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Pretty sad coin in my opinion. I wouldn't gtg as it would be pointless.
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At least 3, if clean cheek and good luster, 4 shot 5.
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Very unattractive AU 58.
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Tough pic to grade,but I don’t see any wear. If there’s luster, 65, if not 58.
rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
Probably very attractive in hand - as I mentioned above, "At least 3, if clean cheek and good luster, 4 shot 5." ...perhaps even higher and/or "+" if the grey shines green as it looks like it does.
"He who loves silver will not be satisfied with silver, nor he who loves abundance, with increase. This also is vanity.
When goods increase, they increase who eat them -- so what profit have the owners, except to see them with their eyes?"
"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man’s all.
For God will bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing, whether good or evil."
"Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Me."
http://www.youtube.com/user/alohabibleprophecy/videos
me after reading most of the comments and waiting for grade reveal.
"He who loves silver will not be satisfied with silver, nor he who loves abundance, with increase. This also is vanity.
When goods increase, they increase who eat them -- so what profit have the owners, except to see them with their eyes?"
"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man’s all.
For God will bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing, whether good or evil."
"Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Me."
http://www.youtube.com/user/alohabibleprophecy/videos
Pro-tip: cheek and luster = 90% of the grade on ms coins. Other areas can't add to grade, only take away (particularly the field in front of the face). fwiw.
"He who loves silver will not be satisfied with silver, nor he who loves abundance, with increase. This also is vanity.
When goods increase, they increase who eat them -- so what profit have the owners, except to see them with their eyes?"
"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man’s all.
For God will bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing, whether good or evil."
"Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Me."
http://www.youtube.com/user/alohabibleprophecy/videos
Looking more carefully I’ll take back my XF guess. I would never buy it, though. It may be a jpg artifact but the cheek does look odd to me. Like something going up and down on it.
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No, and I think it would BB for PVC damage. I'm seeing green corrosion in the devices and around Liberty's lips...
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"He who loves silver will not be satisfied with silver, nor he who loves abundance, with increase. This also is vanity.
When goods increase, they increase who eat them -- so what profit have the owners, except to see them with their eyes?"
"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man’s all.
For God will bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing, whether good or evil."
"Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Me."
http://www.youtube.com/user/alohabibleprophecy/videos
I wouldn’t be surprised at a 66 if pics show it as flat (no luster in the pic). The hints of blue toning are the only positives I see.
I know it's weird, yet I would love to own that Morgan. It's different!
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No, it is not remotely attractive and I grade it 'do not buy under any circumstances'. If it might become a gift, look that horse in the mouth.
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Not attractive at all except the fact that it's 90% silver. AU55 at best.
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"He who loves silver will not be satisfied with silver, nor he who loves abundance, with increase. This also is vanity.
When goods increase, they increase who eat them -- so what profit have the owners, except to see them with their eyes?"
"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man’s all.
For God will bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing, whether good or evil."
"Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Me."
http://www.youtube.com/user/alohabibleprophecy/videos
@ajaan - promise us you'll post a rotation-in-hand showing the luster and color once you do the grade reveal. It will help serve as a learning experience. thx!
"He who loves silver will not be satisfied with silver, nor he who loves abundance, with increase. This also is vanity.
When goods increase, they increase who eat them -- so what profit have the owners, except to see them with their eyes?"
"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man’s all.
For God will bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing, whether good or evil."
"Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Me."
http://www.youtube.com/user/alohabibleprophecy/videos
I do not own the coin. But I'll post the slab later tonight.
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'Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery'
CU #3245 B.N.A. #428
Don
I do not find it attractive but it looks uncirculated to me and I don’t see any noticeable marks. I’m assuming it has weak luster though and the eye appeal will bring it down to MS64.
Would not own it. Common date that were very well struck. This specimen is an AU in my opinion but maybe MS. Crap all over it hides the true nature of that coin. I do detect PVC at the lips in the pic.
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'Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery'
CU #3245 B.N.A. #428
Don
I had a sneaking suspicion that it could be mint state, as the cheeks were very smooth but, yes, the toning hid the true nature of the coin. It also looks weakly struck. I still don't like it.
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I think that in 1881 someone pulled that out of a spittoon.
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That is the poster child for "buy the coin, not the holder".
Looks like a terrible photo of a decent coin. Gem envelope toner
Stuff like this is why sight-unseen trading of graded coins never really worked. I don't care what it's graded. It's not a coin I'd buy for much over melt.
Or maybe it’s a decent photo of a terrible coin. Based on the image provided, the coin looks very dull and ugly, but I don’t know how it looks in-hand.
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Not attractive at all to me. The wiped off tarnish certainly creates the appearance of significant wear on the obverse.
No CAC?
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Ask Ryan. He'd get it in a 6+
"He who loves silver will not be satisfied with silver, nor he who loves abundance, with increase. This also is vanity.
When goods increase, they increase who eat them -- so what profit have the owners, except to see them with their eyes?"
"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man’s all.
For God will bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing, whether good or evil."
"Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Me."
http://www.youtube.com/user/alohabibleprophecy/videos
Killer coin, lousy pic. Upgrade candidate waiting for a COA to come along. House buy material.
"He who loves silver will not be satisfied with silver, nor he who loves abundance, with increase. This also is vanity.
When goods increase, they increase who eat them -- so what profit have the owners, except to see them with their eyes?"
"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man’s all.
For God will bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing, whether good or evil."
"Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Me."
http://www.youtube.com/user/alohabibleprophecy/videos
Agree...I would wager it's (possibly) a really nice coin if the images were better.
I scoured eBay without locating it.
Anyone know the auction site it is on?
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