New purchase, Unusual for me...
joeykoins
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Hi guy's, picked up something today. Something New in my book. A CC Morgan Dollar! Can you guy's give me a ballpark figure on it's value? It does have some issues but I think it has more good points than bad? Lol. Now, to begin with the bad points. It does have a couple of rim dings and some sort of hit or who knows what on the obverse at 4:00? It looks convex instead of concave. Almost looks like a repunch of a "o"? Anyway, now the good points. It's a CC Morgan! One of the rare or low Mintage ones. The other good point, it's in great condition! Maybe a XF? Can you guy's help me in what you think what it's value might be? Also, do you think it's worth a shot to submitting? Thank you, guy's for any suggestions. 
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Let me stick my neck out and just take a wild guess since I know little about Morgans - My impression common CC date -VF 25 - metal color does not look right - Counterfeit ?
Others that know better than I can now correct me.
WS
Oh wow, you think it's Counterfeit? Boy, thanks for your reply and help but I hope you're wrong. Lol.
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--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.Sorry, but it is one of the most common CC dollars out there. Don't waste your money on grading fees as this coin will not get a straight grade with those rim problems. It's worth about $70 maybe, due to the damage. If not damaged then perhaps double that.
VAM6 I believe.
bob
An 1891-CC is not a common date and the coin looks genuine to me. However, it appears to have rim damage and possibly obverse damage, as well. In addition to that, the second group of images makes it look as if the coin has been cleaned.
All in all, my guess is that It would grade out as VF details (due to one or more of the above mentioned problems). I certainly wouldn’t describe it as being in “great condition”.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I wouldn't advise buying CC dollars unless you are an expert in counterfeit detection. The coin in question may be genuine but has problems. Unfortunately, those problems are now your problems. If possible, I would return it for a refund.
I would get a refund if you can.
That CC Morgan (I am a big fan of CC Morgans), will not straight grade...details due to rim hit and those strange marks on the obverse...almost appear to be filled hits...would need to examine in hand for a better conclusion...No higher than VF...Cheers, RickO
Thanks guy's for all your help and suggestions. I did weigh it, it does weigh correctly, 26.7. I paid $25.
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--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.The obverse denticles around 10:00 are oddly shaped. I think it may be fake.
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For $25 you did very well. I wouldn’t waste money submitting it to our host. Assuming it’s real it will never straight grade.
Good price but still a problem coin and you will have problems getting your money back out of it. Given the basic look I first chalked it up to counterfeit but then looked closer at all the issues and thought a counterfeiter wouldn't send one out with that many issues. Even common date Morgan dollars are showing up Chinese copies so really be on your guard when buying an ungraded coin.
Thanks again. Why do you say, VAM 6?
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--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.It's a near date and not a vam 4 or 5. That leaves 6.
bob
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Oh, thanks for the info.
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.I don't like the looks of it either- reverse wing details seem really strong, while obverse hair details are very worn. I think that one obverse mark is from someone testing the metal. Reverse rim nicks maybe as well- someone scraping the rim to check metal again. CC mint mark looks weak as well- that could just be the image lighting.
Curious? If my coin has the traits of a certain VAM (6), wouldn't that almost prove it's not a counterfeit?
VAM-6,
Here's mine,
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--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.If I did send in (in which I won't). and it did turn out to be a counterfeit, how would PCGS handle this? I wonder? Thanks guy's.
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.Um, they'd return it unslabbed and bill your credit card.
Regarding your previous post, why couldn't a counterfeit resemble any given VAM?
Counterfeits can often be "vammed" as the counterfeiters usually just copied a real one to make their own dies.
bob
PS: I do think it's real.
Not if the counterfeit was made from transfer dies...
But I don't think it's counterfeit. I do think it has issues.
That's true.
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.As we speak, the coin is sitting in acetone. Don't ask me why? LMAO
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.Out of the 11 or 12 of you guy's that posted,(thank you), about 5 or 6 of you voted "real" and about 5 or 6 voted "not real". Besides sending in, is there any sure way to tell? Please keep in mind, I really appreciate all your opinions and conclusions. Boy, this is certainly a learning experience for me, to say the least! Esp. In all your posts and now being on the lookout. Lol
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.There’s no great way to verify authenticity aside from submitting to a TPG. Taking the coin to a show can be helpful. I had a raw 1909-S VDB which I took to a Long Beach show and had three Lincoln experts look at it. One said fake, another said details, and the final one said it would straight grade. The coin resides in a PCGS holder with a green sticker.
I like the $25 buy price.
Not being a coin I would buy for myself, but at $25 you wont lose, Put it on ebay , it will bring between 75 - 90 bucks, the ebay crowd loves CC low grade morgans
Not bad ..
please ventilate well with any chemical compounds used on coins and wash your hands and the coin thoroughly. on high value coins don't use any treatment without great experience.
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pocket piece for a couple years and you might have a straight grade f (after wearing down the cleaning).
Can't go too wrong buying a silver dollar for $25, having the CC mint mark at least makes it interesting.
Just my humble opinion.
The cleaning is far from the only problem. 😉
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
It has issues, as others have noted, but for $25....Why not. It's a cheap space filler until you buy something nicer and in the end, you probably will be able to your $25 back later. You would probably spend that amount if You and your wife went to breakfast at the local diner. Just my opinion
New pics. Going to make a trip to my dealer friend later today. I am confident my friend will make the final determination. Mainly, because he'll get the better view than you guys because of the 'in hand' advantage. Although, I do consider all your conclusions without the advantage he'll have. I'll keep ya posted. Please wish me luck. Lol
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--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.GREAT NEWS
It does turn out to be the real deal! My dealer friend put the coin through the rigamaroo. It passed. It came out with flying colors. Lol Boy, what peace of mind. I do realize it's just a small purchase but to me it's big. I want to thank ALL you guy's for your concern and tremendous help. What a learning lesson! Should I dip it? Lol thanks again, guys.
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.I was thinking, maybe that rim ding or rub on the reverse at approx. 2:30 or 3:00, can be the result of a "Scratch Test" to see if the coin is Silver? Maybe, the owner of where I bought the coin, might of been thinking on the same lines as us guy's? Whether if the coin was a fake? H-mmmm?
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--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.It is obviously a real example. I am not sure why anybody here thought it was counterfeit. $25 was a great price, and is worth $75 I would say, even with the issues.
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$25 was a great price, and is worth $75 I would say, even with the issues.
Thanks for the encouragement. Do you know what that mark or whatever that is on the obverse at about 4 or 5:00? To me, it almost looks like a repunch of some sort of an "o"?
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.Some kind of surface damage, unfortunately.
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