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What are your first observations and impressions on this PCGS $5 Liberty? (TruView)

AzurescensAzurescens Posts: 2,783 ✭✭✭✭✭

Seller has terrible photos but PCGS has a Gold Shield service that images your coins when you submit. I was able to look it up through the site and it was very convenient. I hope to signup when I get 20 pieces to submit because that alone is worth the price.

Joe Bob sends you a picture of this coin and asks if you wanna buy it. He gives you 20 seconds: 10 for each side.

What are the first things that go through your head? Is there anything in the truview that jumps out?

Thank you for your time and I look forward to responses.

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don’t get pressured into buying a coin, especially with a 20 second time limit.

  • Downtown1974Downtown1974 Posts: 7,001 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The first thing I would want are good photos of the coin in its slab so I can compare it to the TrueView. Also, 20 seconds to make a decision is a deal breaker for me. I’d tell the seller to keep it.

  • mvs7mvs7 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭✭✭

    First thing I notice is that there's some tar or something obscuring the date.

    I look for original color (check), no hits on face (not too bad), clean fields (pretty good also).

    Based on the look, I'd assume that it's probably an MS64 1901-S or 1902-S as those are the most common dates with that look. There are a few late nineteenth century S-mint dates that could look like that, but I'd be more excited if it's one of the rarer dates after 1880 and really excited if before 1880. There are many condition rarities that exist among later date S-mint half eagles, such as 1883-84, 1887-88, 1892-96, 1904-05.

  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,419 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well the date is important because different issues have different strikes... Bit my first impressions are the mark under the chin and the copper spot buy the 1. reverse...looks like a mark removed under the E in America...

  • mvs7mvs7 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For comparison, here's a 1901-S $5 PCGS MS64/CAC.

  • mvs7mvs7 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @thebigeng said:
    Well the date is important because different issues have different strikes... Bit my first impressions are the mark under the chin and the copper spot buy the 1. reverse...looks like a mark removed under the E in America...

    I actually like seeing the mark under the chin and especially the copper spot by the date because that's more indicative of original surfaces than not. Pretty common on late date S-mint $5s.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Muted luster, some marks and a spot....MS...I would never make a purchase under a time limit...Your move. Cheers, RickO

  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    First question would be why is the TV blurry? (probably loss from when you saved it with blacked out numbers)Second thought, looks like an OK 64 to me, a non-expert.

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  • AzurescensAzurescens Posts: 2,783 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sorry the limit thing was to just ensure 'first glance" opinions. I guess I could've just been mofe clear. I pass by default I'm in no big rush. Thanks for looking out though guys I really appreciate that. It means a lot to me.

    And yeah its 1901-S.. someone has it for sale and I wasn't sure on the etiquette of that. o:)

  • ms71ms71 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not a bad piece; all depends on the grade, price, and how willing I am to accept the poor strike. Of course, upon imposition of the 20-second limit, I have already moved on.

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  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My first glance said nice coin, maybe MS63 without having it in hand. Typical TrueView look.

  • mvs7mvs7 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Azurescens said:
    And yeah its 1901-S.. someone has it for sale and I wasn't sure on the etiquette of that. o:)

    If you're looking to buy a nice Liberty $5 type coin like the 1901-S, you can totally take your time and be very picky. These were $1200 coins a decade ago and now are more like $800 in MS64, though rising slightly due to the COVID premium. The premiums, however, are not that high for CAC vs. non-CAC, as 1901-S and 1902-S $5s are available routinely in MS64, so wait for a nice one with clean surfaces and a nice look and you won't be disappointed. For a small premium, you can hunt for a nice 1885-S or 1886-S in MS64, which are the two most available S-mint dates before 1900, and then you have a nice type coin from the 19th century.

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,808 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 21, 2020 8:27PM

    Not that impressive for me - looking for real blazer.

    What’s the time limit to look thing lol? I would tell Joe get lost or go work on a game show.

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  • morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If someone asked me if I was interested in buying a coin and they gave the stipulation that I only has 20 seconds to decide, I would tell them that I wasn't interested in looking at it because I figure that they are trying to pull a fast one.

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  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,783 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree, but I had about 20 seconds one time at a show years ago to make a decision on an 1804 quarter in PCGS 35. At first glance, i liked it. Turned to make a phone call to a dealer friend of mine who had more experience in those than i did to get his opinion and before I could get it, the second guy said "Ill take it" and I lost out. Coin was priced at 12k. about 1 year later, same coin upgraded to a 40 and sold for 17and change in auction.

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,765 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1901-S MS64? Looks nice. :)

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Joe Bob sends you a picture of this coin and asks if you wanna buy it. He gives you 20 seconds: 10 for each side.

    I reply to Joe Bob that I'll pass because there's magic marker all over the coin, and I have 15 seconds to spare. :)

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 23, 2020 3:14PM

    What are your first observations and impressions on this PCGS $5 Liberty? (TruView)

    It looks like someone took a black marker to the date and cert number! :D

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The muted luster and "flat" affect jump out to me. It could be the photos, but it would warrant further investigation from my perspective.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @keets said:
    Joe Bob sends you a picture of this coin and asks if you wanna buy it. He gives you 20 seconds: 10 for each side.

    I reply to Joe Bob that I'll pass because there's magic marker all over the coin, and I have 15 seconds to spare. :)

    Or tell him you could pay by check but he'd only have 20 seconds to cash it or you would stop payment and demand a return. o:)

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,855 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Collectors should buy with confidence and time constraints impose unnecessary pressure that is one of challenges in buying. I can relate to Jdimmick's story

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  • jonrunsjonruns Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "For a small premium, you can hunt for a nice 1885-S or 1886-S in MS64, which are the two most available S-mint dates before 1900, and then you have a nice type coin from the 19th century."

    Great advice.

  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Only 20 seconds, offer them $10.

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  • CuKevinCuKevin Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭✭

    @mvs7 said:
    First thing I notice is that there's some tar or something obscuring the date.

    I look for original color (check), no hits on face (not too bad), clean fields (pretty good also).

    Based on the look, I'd assume that it's probably an MS64 1901-S or 1902-S as those are the most common dates with that look. There are a few late nineteenth century S-mint dates that could look like that, but I'd be more excited if it's one of the rarer dates after 1880 and really excited if before 1880. There are many condition rarities that exist among later date S-mint half eagles, such as 1883-84, 1887-88, 1892-96, 1904-05.

    Beat me to the obscured date.

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  • REALGATORREALGATOR Posts: 2,646 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice AU58

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That might be...notice I said might be a nice coin!

  • PhilLynottPhilLynott Posts: 898 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it's a 65 but not one I'd buy cause I'm after luster first and foremost personally at that grade level.

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,621 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My first impression was: " who is joe bob, where did he acquire the coin, how much is it offered for ? My thought iis ms 63 ish.

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,621 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oh and I agree. True view takes the cake.

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