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NEWP: Ferdinand I (1521-64) Walzentaler

ZoharZohar Posts: 6,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
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ND (ca. 1574-1575) Ferdinand I (1521-64) Taler. Hall Mint. Posthumously struck coinage. DAV-8030. Obv: Crowned, armored and bearded half-length figure, (with elderly features) right, holding sword and scepter. Rev: Single headed heraldic eagle left, with shield including Austrian (stripes of Hapsburg) and Spanish (castle of Castile) arms. A rolling-dies mint was introduced in Austria during the rule of Ferdinand II (after 1564), which led previously to the wrong conclusion, that this rare type is a posthumous strike. Due to further research and numismatic discussions, the origin of the so called "Walzentaler" ("rolling-dies thaler") became more likely to be Augsburg, where the Emperor spent few more few months (January 1555 - September 1555). A nice specimen of this rare type, with raising popularity, especially after the discovery of its German-City-Mint origin!. Superb condition for this rare type. PCGS MS-64.



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  • harashaharasha Posts: 3,116 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How the devil is this only a MS64?

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  • ZoharZohar Posts: 6,713 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do not have it in hand yet due to Covid-19 constraints, yet among the finest I have come across. These are minted differently than later issues and are not always apples to apples in grading scale.

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  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,949 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's a cool backstory to go with an awesome coin like this. I wonder if my brother knows of the German origin.

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 24,356 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's awesome!

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  • jimhopkins1919jimhopkins1919 Posts: 101 ✭✭✭

    That’s a beauty!

  • Bob13Bob13 Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks as always for sharing.

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,264 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2020 8:27AM

    Congrats...

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  • StellaStella Posts: 732 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wonderful condition for a piece like this! Congratulations.

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  • worldcoinguyworldcoinguy Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wonderful addition Z. Tough piece. I think early-date talers are underappreciated.

  • ksammutksammut Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭

    Stunning detail! Definitely one of my favorite designs

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  • marvinfmarvinf Posts: 50 ✭✭

    @Zohar said:
    ND (ca. 1574-1575) Ferdinand I (1521-64) Taler. Hall Mint. Posthumously struck coinage. DAV-8030. Obv: Crowned, armored and bearded half-length figure, (with elderly features) right, holding sword and scepter. Rev: Single headed heraldic eagle left, with shield including Austrian (stripes of Hapsburg) and Spanish (castle of Castile) arms. A rolling-dies mint was introduced in Austria during the rule of Ferdinand II (after 1564), which led previously to the wrong conclusion, that this rare type is a posthumous strike. Due to further research and numismatic discussions, the origin of the so called "Walzentaler" ("rolling-dies thaler") became more likely to be Augsburg, where the Emperor spent few more few months (January 1555 - September 1555). A nice specimen of this rare type, with raising popularity, especially after the discovery of its German-City-Mint origin!. Superb condition for this rare type. PCGS MS-64.



    Hi Zohar.
    I have the finest known (possibly) NGC MS-65.


    Marv

  • marvinfmarvinf Posts: 50 ✭✭

    Moser and Tursky give a detailed scientific analysis of this coin and documentation surrounding the Hall mint proving conclusively that this is a posthumous striking to the older Ferdinand I standard by Ferdinand's son. It was struck in Hall not Augsburg.
    See this link for the document (in German):

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/n4xjhlpb4pphvij/Walzen Taler.pdf?dl=0

  • marvinfmarvinf Posts: 50 ✭✭

    The last sentence in the document gives the following conclusion:
    "After 400 years, the 'Augsburger Walzentaler' are therefor for the first time finally identified as Hall mint strikings from the years 1573-1576"

  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,112 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is exceptionally nice.

  • ZoharZohar Posts: 6,713 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for the info @marvinf

    Habsburg Talers

    TalerUniverse.com is a curated numismatic project dedicated to the silver talers, crowns, and medals of the Habsburg Empire and the Holy Roman Empire, spanning the 16th–18th centuries. The collection emphasizes historically significant issues, rare mint varieties, and high-grade NGC/PCGS examples, presented with detailed historical context, scholarly references, and high-resolution photography. TalerUniverse aims to serve both as a private collection showcase and a growing reference resource for collectors, researchers, and students of early-modern European coinage.
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