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NEWP: Ferdinand I (1521-64) Walzentaler

ZoharZohar Posts: 6,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
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ND (ca. 1574-1575) Ferdinand I (1521-64) Taler. Hall Mint. Posthumously struck coinage. DAV-8030. Obv: Crowned, armored and bearded half-length figure, (with elderly features) right, holding sword and scepter. Rev: Single headed heraldic eagle left, with shield including Austrian (stripes of Hapsburg) and Spanish (castle of Castile) arms. A rolling-dies mint was introduced in Austria during the rule of Ferdinand II (after 1564), which led previously to the wrong conclusion, that this rare type is a posthumous strike. Due to further research and numismatic discussions, the origin of the so called "Walzentaler" ("rolling-dies thaler") became more likely to be Augsburg, where the Emperor spent few more few months (January 1555 - September 1555). A nice specimen of this rare type, with raising popularity, especially after the discovery of its German-City-Mint origin!. Superb condition for this rare type. PCGS MS-64.



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  • harashaharasha Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How the devil is this only a MS64?

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  • ZoharZohar Posts: 6,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do not have it in hand yet due to Covid-19 constraints, yet among the finest I have come across. These are minted differently than later issues and are not always apples to apples in grading scale.

    Habsburg Talers
  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,740 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's a cool backstory to go with an awesome coin like this. I wonder if my brother knows of the German origin.


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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,427 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's awesome!

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  • jimhopkins1919jimhopkins1919 Posts: 101 ✭✭✭

    That’s a beauty!

  • Bob13Bob13 Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks as always for sharing.

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 22, 2020 8:27AM

    Congrats...

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  • StellaStella Posts: 708 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wonderful condition for a piece like this! Congratulations.

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  • worldcoinguyworldcoinguy Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭✭

    Wonderful addition Z. Tough piece. I think early-date talers are underappreciated.

  • ksammutksammut Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭

    Stunning detail! Definitely one of my favorite designs

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  • marvinfmarvinf Posts: 47 ✭✭

    @Zohar said:
    ND (ca. 1574-1575) Ferdinand I (1521-64) Taler. Hall Mint. Posthumously struck coinage. DAV-8030. Obv: Crowned, armored and bearded half-length figure, (with elderly features) right, holding sword and scepter. Rev: Single headed heraldic eagle left, with shield including Austrian (stripes of Hapsburg) and Spanish (castle of Castile) arms. A rolling-dies mint was introduced in Austria during the rule of Ferdinand II (after 1564), which led previously to the wrong conclusion, that this rare type is a posthumous strike. Due to further research and numismatic discussions, the origin of the so called "Walzentaler" ("rolling-dies thaler") became more likely to be Augsburg, where the Emperor spent few more few months (January 1555 - September 1555). A nice specimen of this rare type, with raising popularity, especially after the discovery of its German-City-Mint origin!. Superb condition for this rare type. PCGS MS-64.



    Hi Zohar.
    I have the finest known (possibly) NGC MS-65.


    Marv

  • marvinfmarvinf Posts: 47 ✭✭

    Moser and Tursky give a detailed scientific analysis of this coin and documentation surrounding the Hall mint proving conclusively that this is a posthumous striking to the older Ferdinand I standard by Ferdinand's son. It was struck in Hall not Augsburg.
    See this link for the document (in German):

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/n4xjhlpb4pphvij/Walzen Taler.pdf?dl=0

  • marvinfmarvinf Posts: 47 ✭✭

    The last sentence in the document gives the following conclusion:
    "After 400 years, the 'Augsburger Walzentaler' are therefor for the first time finally identified as Hall mint strikings from the years 1573-1576"

  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is exceptionally nice.

  • ZoharZohar Posts: 6,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for the info @marvinf

    Habsburg Talers
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