I'm A Fraud
segoja
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Just when I thought I had seen it all.
I get a PayPal case opened against me e-mail today (Yes I went to PayPal to check to out...its legit).
Buyer bought a Pre-Sale item from me on E-Bay on May 14, with guaranteed shipment by May 30th.
On May 15 a case is opened up thru PayPal. No communication what so ever thru E-Bay e-mail or phone.
Here is the buyers claim
"I was informed by my collectible service, this seller is a fraud. The product has not shipped. I contacted seller, they said to wait for the fraud to occur and then they might try and help. I’ve canceled my account and I dispute this charge. Thanks"
So for the record, I've been in business for 39 years. I'm on the Board of PNG, life member of the ANA 25 Year PCGS and NGC dealer, and have NEVER ripped anyone off.
So who is this guys "Collectible service" I've never heard of such a thing. And if there really is one, then they have liabled me.
Oh well, another fun E-Bay saga.
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Great opening line. We know your reputation and it remains solid.
May a diseased yack with Covid-19 spit on his toupee! (Just a joke administration).
MilesWaits.....Whew I was beginning to get worried
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
I hope you get some sort of cooperation with PayPal to find out who the "collectible service" is, if not fake.
If anyone needs a free "collectible service" all they have to do is come here.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
I know I have bought nice coins from you in the past.
Great coins and perfect transactions
The crazies are coming out of the woodwork during these times! Even formerly normal people are turning crazy.
I've had a few buyers demanding crazy things lately (even on the forum).
"Collectible service" is a new one. I'm not even sure what it is supposed to mean.
It means BS....
WS
Sounds like the guy was plinking at night after a few to many, then decided not to buy when they got sober. also they didn't know that they could just email the seller and cancel the transaction with your permission..
Did you ship the item out and has the buyer cancelled his ebay account? Either way, cussomers like this are the stuff nightmare are made of. No good pain in the A_s waste of timer.
Commoncents Item was a presale, to ship May 30th. He bought it yesterday the 14th, and expected shipment immediately.
His e-bay account is alive and well, with a grand total of 6 feedback.
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
another ebay buyer (looser)
...some people have no life...let the peasants eat cake
So sorry for the distress, segoja, which you are understandably feeling (who wouldn't?).
I'm glad you posted, and can hear the reassurances here that we know you to be an honest person.
Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...
The rest of us frauds will keep you. The rest of them will have to fend for themselfs
Can you cxl the sale and refund the $. I think that way he can't leave negative feedback.
And dont forget to block him.
Your character is impeccable with me James.
When I read your headline I thought, "oh no! He's going to admit I'm his alt!".
So what did you presale??? I just can't get on that boat. I will not offer something for sale unless I have it in hand. Been round and round with the few I try to sell coins for!
Edit to add... It has to be in my possession before I will list it.
I would never ever sell something I don't own.
To answer your ? 2020 Struck in Philadelphia Silver Eagles
I own them, just waiting to get them back from our hosts.
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
What if they are lost when not in your possession?
Bought 5500 coins, every 500 in a different shipment. I'll take a little risk. We loose on average 1 package every 3 years, and we ship on average 10-12 package every day 365 days a year.
It's a risk I'll take. If i loose one, then I'll go into the wholesale market to make it right. Its not worth loosing your reputation over a couple of $$$
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
That's your business model but not mine. You are suffering the consequences.
AMWLDCOIN: Please help me with your comment? What have I done that I'm suffering the consequences of? Your comment is WAY OUT OF LINE
I promised to ship by May 30th. I'll ship each and every coin next week. At least 10 days early.
If you want to doubt me, bet me $100 per coin (this is a public legal offer) for every coin that I don't ship by next Friday (thats right now about 4500 coins sold and $450,000 the could be yours), and for every coin that I do ship you give me $1. Thats a 100 to 1 bet. I'll bet you pass, because you are not a businessman.
Sorry for the rant, but you ARE OUT OF LINE
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
It's obvious from his above comments what his point is. You may own the coins but you don't HAVE them. He is simply saying that his business doesn't include selling something that he doesn't have. So your eBay buyer misunderstood that it was pre-sale and the consequences are what the disgruntled buyer said and did. Not hard to comprehend.
I would consider a libel suit personally.
There’s always some nut you end up having to deal with 😔
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Sure, why not waste (more) time and energy on some crackpot eBay buyer who's just making up stories?
I guess I'm a little slow. So as a seller, I have to rely on the reading comprehension of a buyer.
The listing IN THE TITLE says PRE SALE. In the description it says in the very first sentence "PLEASE NOTE THIS IS A PRE-SALE, WITH SHIPPING BY MAY 30th."
In the shipping description it say 15 days handling time.
So I say it 3 times, all over the place and I'm supposed to assume a buyer can't read. And since they can't read, within one day of payment I'm supposed to accept a payPAL FRAUD case.
PLEASE HELP ME WITH WHAT'S SO OBVIOUS
CLEARLY YOU DON'T SELL MANY COINS..AGAIN SORRY, BUT THS IT TOTALLY UNCALLED FOR
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
AMWLDCOIN doesn't pre-sale. If he doesn't have it he doesn't put it up for sale. That's what's obvious. You pre-sale; he doesn't. As a consequence you have a pissed off buyer regardless of what your listing said. He wasn't commenting about the eBay buyer.
It potentially damages his reputation with eBay. Eventually those frivolous complaints add up in volume over time and can impact his business on eBay. At a minimum it can affect Top Seller Status and cost him money in higher fees. I guess it all comes down whether you value your reputation and business relationship with eBay or not.
The buyer has six total feedbacks and his message is borderline incoherent. The chances of eBay or PayPal ruling in his favor over an established seller with probably thousands of sales and a spotless record are essentially nil. Refund, block, and move on with life.
You guys are insane. The buyer filed a complaint directly to PayPal the next day. His complaint was not a consequence of anything @segoja did (or did not do). The buyer is either an idiot, a bad actor, or both.
So if AMWLDCOIN sells a coin he has in stock, ships it but the buyer doesn't read the description and claims FRUAD isn't that the EXACT same thing as what I'm doing. If AMWLDCOIN takes 1 day off should he have a FRAUD case started for non shipment?
I think you missed my clear point that i've been accused of FRAUD for not shipping a coin within 1 day. I ship virtually 100% of ordesr within 1 day including Saturdays.
If that's the standard this industry should work from then I would posit that at least 50% or more of dealers should have fraud cases brought upon them.
YOU ARE OUT OF LINE
I'm done commenting on this thread.
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
Not every buyer on Ebay knows what a "pre-sale" is. I don't use that term so had to read further into this thread to understand the idea. Not the best idea imo to sell what you don't have in hand....whether you own it or not. Either way, you don't have it to ship....which is all a newbie buyer understands.
Go back and read AMWLDCOIN's first post in this thread. It's about pre-sale for something you don't have. AMWLDCOIN DOES NOT PRE-SALE. If he does not HAVE THE ITEM IN HAND he does not offer it. HOW DAMN HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND. He is not condoning the actions of the buyer. It's been posted here before that pre-sale causes problems and is generally frowned upon. Lots of eBay buyers don't read item descriptions or understand what they are bidding on.
Well you just got one weird ass buyer is all I can say. And he may have acted the same way even if you had it in hand.
Your reading comprehension is lacking. AMWLDCOIN's first post in this thread was about the practice of pre-selling which is something he doesn't condone. Since the OP didn't have the items in hand [whether he owned them or not] he was pre-selling. That's all that he said. Sometimes the practice can bite you in the ass.
Well at least the "buyer" doesn't have your coin and his money back,
Block him and forget him.
OK, this is my last post to this thread. My reading comprehension is excellent, thank you. I was not responding to "AMWLDCOIN's first post". I was responding to YOUR comment ("as a consequence") which linked the buyer's complaint to the fact that the listing was a presale. IF the seller had missed the promised date of shipment, THEN the buyer would have had a legitimate complaint, and said complaint WOULD have been a consequence of the listing being a presale. But that is not what happened.
PayPal and eBay are very anti-seller IMHO. I wish your second statement was accurate. My perception is that it is not.
please PM me his ebay ID. I have a spot for him on my "list."
Capital investment depends on confidence. - Martin Armstrong
Recently I had a buyer file a complaint with PayPal about a coin they had purchased over 6 months ago. It was a BU toned RB 1936 Lincoln Cent.
The buyer claimed their "coin expert" said that the coin I sold (again, 6 months prior) was damaged.
It was not.
It was just toned.
Exactly as was imaged in the eBay listing. I am too poor with technology to even think about enhancing an image. If anything, I try to show the coin "at its worst."
PayPal ruled against me and also forced me to pay return shipping for the buyer.
When I get the coin back, it is in a flip labelled "1936 satin proof, RARE" with the "satin proof"and "rare" parts partially scratched out, LOL.
I was stunned they ruled against me.
It wasn't that much money -- it was just the point of it.
I was on your side until this comment.
You did nothing wrong with your ebay listing, and the buyer was an idiot.
@amwldcoin simply said that he does not share your business model because of.potential issues with it. He noted that you are experiencing one of the issues that can arise (idiot buyer who can't read, or suffers from immediate buyer's remorse). Is that not what you are experiencing?
Because you did not agree with his opinion you shouted in caps that he was "out of line" and you challenged him to a wager. Yikes...
You are taking your anger and frustration out on him.
This is how threads go off the rails and people get banned from commenting in otherwise innocuous threads.
Consequence doesn't imply fault or blame. It's the result of reaction to an action. We really don't know what set this particular buyer off.
Good thing he doesn't buy from Heritage. Been waiting over 2 weeks for them to ship a coin I won in one of their auctions.
Pre Sales on eBay has been abused in the past, and not always (but sometimes) fraudulent
you have sold 45 MS70s which you do not seem to have in hand, you are relying on others to have these to ship in next 2 weeks
Actually, you are a fraud.
I recall buying an item from you, and when it arrived from shipping, there was a bonus gift along with a hand-written letter wishing me a lifetime of enjoyment for my purchase.
However, there was no mention of any extra bonus item, nor the courtesy letter, in the eBay description of the item. So I was forced to leave Negative feedback for giving a misleading eBay description! I didn't receive what I paid for - I received extra! Full refunded was granted by customer support!!!
(Sarcasm)
This is how I lost my PayPal account. Seller disputed a legitimate item. I had been selling items on ebay when text based online role playing games were the cutting edge of online gaming. $1k-$3k/day after a literal twenty year history of invoices and eBay items and everything.
Customer flagged it as fraud, package delivered, and then pulled unauthorized use and I'm not sure what they said but I was banned and they stole my $1400. I got caught mid day and hadn't done my deposit yet. They refused to return it to all of my customers when I said just relinquish the funds to their owners.
I hope you're not dealing with similar. This is why I'm a big fan of venmo, cashapp, zelle, skrill, bitpay, amazon pay, Google pay, apple pay, bitcoin, physical/digital gift cards and amazon gift cards. Or cash/check/M.O.
Tons of other options available. It took me awhile to realize the Internet is so big now you can sell anything anywhere to anyone. Losing business in one place just means building better business in another.
We just.. don't need ebay and PayPal anymore. It's not 2010. There are other options. Not telling you how to run your business; rather, I am glad that other avenues exist in which hobbyists and businesses can exchange goods. The hobby would probably be the better for it if both got axed. The Internet is overdue for a shakeup of coin commerce.
The quality of sellers has declined over the past 3 to 5 years and I am honestly trying to look at it objectively and not a rose lenses thing or confirmation bias whatever. The eBay bucks was the second to last nail in the coffin for me.
For every action there is a total unequal over reaction.
