Well, I said I wouldn't, but thinking of diving into a date set again... Large Cents.
jayPem
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Of course, it's very important that all pieces are carefully selected, with an emphasis on eye appeal and just the right type of damage!
Counterstamps and engravings.
I realized that I'm about 9 coins in so far.. Not sure if it will be prudent to pursue all the dates if prices are too high to justify buying someone else's problem, but hey I can always go with the "stamp your own
date"option!
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All different dates
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
I am also slowly starting (date set -- NO counterstamps). I have several nice Oberwise boards for Large Cents . . . and a Wayte Raymond 3-ring album. I think it would be super fun to just do a nice chocolate matched 'Good - Very Good' up to the end of the Classics . . .then 'Fine - Very Fine' the rest of the way. I applaud your choice . . . and I think you would end up with a spectacular and true 'COLLECTION' . . . not an accumulation, Box of 20, or mismatched combo. It could be really super . . .if you take care to match the look of each piece.
Now . . .counterstamps ?????????? Well . . . that was why you posted the thread. I might venture . . . . . . impossible.
Yes . . . I know. A couple of minor problems. 1793, 1799, 1804, to be precise. Well, nothing in life is easy. Those may be AG.
Positives? Although I have mad respect for all the variety/Sheldon/die state collectors . . . this project just requires one of each date. For fun . . . put in a slightly better option here or there, but avoid the killers. Match for COLOR and WEAR.
Start with those counters . . . . . . and enjoy. But . . .if you want to branch out ????
Drunner
That's what most of my sets are-date sets. Mint State Buffs, Mercs, toned Wash 25c, Peace $1, AU58 Indian head $2.50. I can't quite afford the Mint marked stuff. These still make attractive sets.
Counterstamped large cents can be interesting to collect and research. Below are a couple (both Ex: Steve Tanenbaum):
James & Co. (Boston ambrotypist)
Carleton & Co. (Massachusetts gunsmith, later in New Hampshire)
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
👆those are great!
I'd like to pay up for a few better stamps like those above.
If I wind up stretching for any key pieces, it'll probably be for a rare stamp rather than a tough date or coins in nicer condition.
I imagine that many of the coins filling out the dates will be simple love tokens and one off unlisted stampings from who knows where.. inexpensive pieces.
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Here's an impulse ebay auction purchase..🧐
Possibly a good case of what not to aquire if there will be any discipline to the project, but inevitably pieces like this always make their way into sets like this along the way..
I like this concept, it can be applied to stamped and engraved pieces I'm sure 😊
Nice!
@Sonorandesertrat ...is Brunk the primary resource or do large cents have a seperate book or catalog for listing and researching counterstamps?
Good luck on your quest. I am not doing date sets anymore....Been there and done that....and now I just look for 'special - to me - coins'.....I like it this way, no stress or pressure, no hours of hunting - not only the right date and mint, but the right look.... Now, if it makes me happy, I get it.
Cheers, RickO
Stick to counterstamps that are of a known origin. Avoid "just fooling around" counterstamps.
Brunk is the place to go.
There are old articles too:
Hallenbeck Jr., Kenneth/ Counterstamped United States Large Cents [1965 Numismatist
article]
Bowers, Q. David/Countertamped Large Cents [2012 Coin World article]
And check old issues of Penny-Wise
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
Great advice above.
I would love to focus on known stamps and to a certain extent I will...but I don't plan to try and aquire an entire date run of listed (and also expensive) stamps.
Some random and Maverick stamps are quite interesting in there own way and fill holes for a fraction.
Still, I hope to end up with a decent group of known stamps along the way. And who knows, possibly might be tempted to try for a couple tough ones at some point.
For instance a Washington/Lafayette piece is more tempting to me than a ragged 1799 or 1793 if I get a chance at one..😊
The Washington/Lafayette piece is seen infrequently (see the attachment for an introduction). There are less than ca. 20 large cents that were used as the substrate for the medalette. I once owned one that used a filed-down Matron Head large cent (based on what was left of a couple of letters). Other coins were used as substrates too. Those are pieces that have some history associated with them.
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
Thanks for the article!
This one appears to be the finest known.
Like I said, if I get to the point we're I'm thinking of spending thousands on a large cent, it'll definitely be something like the counterstamp above rather than a key date...
How 'bout another with two dates on one coin?
Pacific Northwest Numismatic Association
DRUNNER,
Regarding a number of your comments, I have this to say:
1. A 'matched' date set of C/S large cents would be essentially a life-long pursuit. Likely impossible to put together, as you noted for a few dates. I think that matching C/S coins for color and surface quality would also be an insurmountable problem.
2. I have been through various phases of collecting during the last 55 years. What I have now is soup to nuts, half cents to double eagles, counterfeits, electrotypes, exonumia, and some foreign coins. And I also am assembling a numismatic library that I get more enjoyment from than from my coins. Decades ago, I was focused (Austro-German thalers and later Barber halves). I get more pleasure from my accumulation, and certainly have more admiration for some of the Boxes of 20 posted here by others than for many of the focused collections that I have seen or have had in the past. It's a hobby, with no 'right' way to collect.
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
Hey, I need 1801 AND 1848!
I'll take it if it's for sale..,😊
The idea behind this pursuit was that it'd be an affordable one..but now I'm starting to uncover things that I should probably just let be..
For example, on the bay right now:
@DRUNNER and @Sonorandesertrat .. definitely respect the discipline and focus the matched set entails. I've done a few myself and enjoyed the process and result quite a bit.
I'm now primarily a cabinet collector, with an accumulation of many types going on.
This is also what I like best now as a collector.
Certain areas remain my primary focus, and others get to have their moment in the sun... for example, large cents.
I think Q. David Bowers had amassed a very large collection of C/S large cents, and really enjoyed doing so - and this from the fellow who's handled almost every imaginable US rarity that exists!
Good luck in your endeavor!
I'll also add, I really like large cents, and have all dates but the '99, as well as most of the major varieties (along with many duplicates). Frankly, I've never thought about matching them at all - I enjoy the broad range of colors that they come in, and look really neat when assembled together with so much diversity among them.
Sounds like fun.
I've always thought that the dealers who have a full display of large size copper coins at the national coin shows have one of the coolest looking displays on the bourse. It just looks great when you get that many large copper coins together.