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YQQYQQ Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭✭✭

Is it allowed to start and maintain a Blacklist of scammers here on this forum.
It could be set up so that only members can access it
it would most certainly help all members, buyers and sellers.

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  • OldhoopsterOldhoopster Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 8, 2020 8:35AM

    I would think the PCGS lawyers might not be pleased to have a blacklist on their site

    Member of the ANA since 1982
  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    How about a great dealer list instead?

    That would be a list I would endorse as well. Perhaps with one extra bit saying what specialty (if any) they may have.

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Rule #2. If it was a thread I would look but not post.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,894 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @YQQ said:
    Is it allowed to start and maintain a Blacklist of scammers here on this forum.
    It could be set up so that only members can access it
    it would most certainly help all members, buyers and sellers.

    Using words like “scammers” is almost certainly bound to get you in trouble. Stating facts (as opposed to opinions or conclusions) is less likely to do so.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That would be inappropriate on this forum. Best to make a separate site and give access through a link. Cheers, RickO

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 8, 2020 10:27AM

    I don't see a black list happening here. It wouldn't look good jmo your inviting trouble

  • GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 8, 2020 10:40AM

    Black Lists are Federally Illegal in nature. But hey go ahead start one see what happens.

  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would ignore it. Somebody returns a coin and ends up on a blacklist? How do I know it wasn't the seller who failed to provide accurate photos and descriptions? YMMV.

  • GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinJunkie said:
    I would ignore it. Somebody returns a coin and ends up on a blacklist? How do I know it wasn't the seller who failed to provide accurate photos and descriptions? YMMV.

    That’s a great point I put the good sellers on that list so only I end up buying from that seller! 😎

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,717 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinJunkie said:
    I would ignore it. Somebody returns a coin and ends up on a blacklist? How do I know it wasn't the seller who failed to provide accurate photos and descriptions? YMMV.

    I agree with you on both lists. How do I know the buyer wasn't completely unreasonable and is just flaming the seller to get even? There's too many variables to trust a single random opinion of someone I don't really know.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,717 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Gluggo said:
    Black Lists are Federally Illegal in nature. But hey go ahead start one see what happens.

    Private businesses can refuse anyone they want. Private citizens can boycott any business you want. This isn't an employment blacklist.

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 8, 2020 6:44PM

    A do-gooders list would be better.

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  • YQQYQQ Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 9, 2020 6:08AM

    Well Thank you all.
    I can see that some of you really get uptight about this. and I am wondering why?
    I do not need lessons or the rules read. I am aware of the rules. But the rules say nothing about lists that would or could be a great advantage to most members.
    All I did is asking this question: Is it allowed to start and maintain a Blacklist of scammers here on this forum. I never said that I would do it.
    there was no hidden agenda...the question was simply a logical continuation of another thread on the forum.
    I did specifically say scammers and I did say this Forum.
    A simple question...and one poster even accuses me of being a trouble maker????? for asking a question???
    I would say a little far fetched.

    Today is the first day of the rest of my life
  • PedzolaPedzola Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Blacklist is a terrible idea. There are plenty of legitimate reasons for returns. Why would you block potential customers? This does no service to collectors and is bound to come back and hurt your reputation.

  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @YQQ said:
    Well Thank you all.
    I can see that some of you really get uptight about this. and I am wondering why?
    I do not need lessons or the rules read. I am aware of the rules. But the rules say nothing about lists that would or could be a great advantage to most members.
    All I did is asking this question: Is it allowed to start and maintain a Blacklist of scammers here on this forum. I never said that I would do it.
    there was no hidden agenda...the question was simply a logical continuation of another thread on the forum.
    I did specifically say scammers and I did say this Forum.
    A simple question...and one poster even accuses me of being a trouble maker????? for asking a question???
    I would say a little far fetched.

    LOL ... who really is uptight here? I didn't accuse you of being a troublemaker, I made a joke. Notice the winky emoji? --> ;)

    Numismatist Ordinaire
    See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
  • YQQYQQ Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ok, I understood it and the emoji the wrong way, I am sorry...
    and thank you for clearing that up.

    Today is the first day of the rest of my life
  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @YQQ said:
    ok, I understood it and the emoji the wrong way, I am sorry...
    and thank you for clearing that up.

    No worries ... it happens.

    Numismatist Ordinaire
    See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
  • GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Gluggo said:
    Black Lists are Federally Illegal in nature. But hey go ahead start one see what happens.

    Private businesses can refuse anyone they want. Private citizens can boycott any business you want. This isn't an employment blacklist.

    I agree with your statement my main point is a hard copy black list is never a good thing. I am in the Oil and Gas business. We have a list of past employees we stay away from which comes directly from HR. But it’s under total confidentiality and never on a listed form. That was just my main point.
    I myself usually am always willing to give a person a 2nd or 3rd chance in hopes they get past what ever was their past downfall. But that’s not my job to hire I just work along side them . As far as a list for EBay I have no problem with a list but not sure if I would want to totally follow it. I usually listen to the people here on their past problems but I usually am buying on EBay and do not take the time to follow through with their names. But it’s fun to read about it and how the Out come turned out. I don’t think I have had many problems on EBay since I am just usually buying and rarely return items .

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,717 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Gluggo said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Gluggo said:
    Black Lists are Federally Illegal in nature. But hey go ahead start one see what happens.

    Private businesses can refuse anyone they want. Private citizens can boycott any business you want. This isn't an employment blacklist.

    I agree with your statement my main point is a hard copy black list is never a good thing. I am in the Oil and Gas business. We have a list of past employees we stay away from which comes directly from HR. But it’s under total confidentiality and never on a listed form. That was just my main point.
    I myself usually am always willing to give a person a 2nd or 3rd chance in hopes they get past what ever was their past downfall. But that’s not my job to hire I just work along side them . As far as a list for EBay I have no problem with a list but not sure if I would want to totally follow it. I usually listen to the people here on their past problems but I usually am buying on EBay and do not take the time to follow through with their names. But it’s fun to read about it and how the Out come turned out. I don’t think I have had many problems on EBay since I am just usually buying and rarely return items .

    employment black lists aren't legal.

    Private corporate black lists perfectly legal.

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Gluggo said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Gluggo said:
    Black Lists are Federally Illegal in nature. But hey go ahead start one see what happens.

    Private businesses can refuse anyone they want. Private citizens can boycott any business you want. This isn't an employment blacklist.

    I agree with your statement my main point is a hard copy black list is never a good thing. I am in the Oil and Gas business. We have a list of past employees we stay away from which comes directly from HR. But it’s under total confidentiality and never on a listed form. That was just my main point.
    I myself usually am always willing to give a person a 2nd or 3rd chance in hopes they get past what ever was their past downfall. But that’s not my job to hire I just work along side them . As far as a list for EBay I have no problem with a list but not sure if I would want to totally follow it. I usually listen to the people here on their past problems but I usually am buying on EBay and do not take the time to follow through with their names. But it’s fun to read about it and how the Out come turned out. I don’t think I have had many problems on EBay since I am just usually buying and rarely return items .

    employment black lists aren't legal.

    Private corporate black lists perfectly legal.

    I remember from my youth times about blacklists in taverns. Never saw one, but I assume the bartender kept one [or was given one] and added names given to them by the authorities of those who weren't supposed to be served alcohol.

    Since I rarely sell on eBay I don't get returns.

    theknowitalltroll;
  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,426 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 9, 2020 7:53AM

    Maybe the solution is to change the term “blacklist” to something more gentle and politically correct.
    Like “people that we don’t like” or “asshats: we don’t like”

    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.
  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Perhaps an eBay vigilante committee?
    Hunt them down. Why mess with libel when you can go for a real felony?

    B)

  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    How about a great dealer list instead?

    So, a short list instead?

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Outhaul said:

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    How about a great dealer list instead?

    So, a short list instead?

    Actually, I would think the list would be quite long with many on this forum being on it,

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,717 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:

    @Outhaul said:

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    How about a great dealer list instead?

    So, a short list instead?

    Actually, I would think the list would be quite long with many on this forum being on it,

    I believe he was joking around.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:

    @Outhaul said:

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    How about a great dealer list instead?

    So, a short list instead?

    Actually, I would think the list would be quite long with many on this forum being on it,

    I believe he was joking around.

    duh :)

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,618 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i Share my blacklist with a couple people in my circle of trust.

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,618 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Pedzola said:
    Blacklist is a terrible idea. There are plenty of legitimate reasons for returns. Why would you block potential customers? This does no service to collectors and is bound to come back and hurt your reputation.

    I have correspondences and emails where the scammer even admits he is scamming ( and getting away with it). Some will rub it in your face.
    Pay pal and Ebay know exactly ( by repeated dealings) who those people are. They get banned, then just change their name; but never their MO. It's who they are. We are talking scammers, not tire kickers and legitimate returns. Right ?

    I think the original post clarified that.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Who wants to buy my blocked bidder list? >:)

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @amwldcoin said:
    Who wants to buy my blocked bidder list? >:)

    Put it up for auction on eBay. :)

    theknowitalltroll;
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,071 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TurtleCat said:
    My recommendation would be to manage a list using google docs or google numbers. I don’t think our hosts would want the liability of such a list here.

    Well said @Turtlecat👌

    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,617 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Trouble with blacklists are they have no explanations, only opinions and we all have opinions, good or bad.
    Jim


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain

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