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What grade would you put on this 1943 Walking Liberty Half Dollar? UPDATED

RedstoneCoinsRedstoneCoins Posts: 218 ✭✭✭
edited May 4, 2020 12:16AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I am curious to know what fellow collectors would grade this coin at.

I will reveal the grade ICG gave for the coin after 50 votes. Or 25 replies, whichever comes first.

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UPDATE:

Here is the grade:


What grade would you put on this 1943 Walking Liberty Half Dollar? UPDATED

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This appears to have better detail than the '46 in the other post. Cheers, RickO

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice!

  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,160 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a 66 from the pics.

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  • ThreeCentSilverFLThreeCentSilverFL Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Also nice

  • 1Bufffan1Bufffan Posts: 674 ✭✭✭✭

    Obverse center is a little weak but the Reverse looks really good, nice looking walker.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 3, 2020 7:18AM

    Its a nice coin.thats all I'll say for now

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 15,008 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’d guess MS66, but might have a very different assessment in-hand, or even based on images with much better lighting.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • Tom147Tom147 Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Whatever it grades, I like it.

  • Klif50Klif50 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭✭

    I'll go with 66

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,881 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This date exists in quantity in high grade and even though the mintage is high, there was quality. Based solely on the image, Either 65 + or 66 seems reasonable. I think the image is good but I have some doubts as to either the coin in the image is better than in hand.

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  • RedstoneCoinsRedstoneCoins Posts: 218 ✭✭✭

    We are getting so close to 50 votes!

  • RedstoneCoinsRedstoneCoins Posts: 218 ✭✭✭

    Grade added to original post!

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 15,008 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RedstoneCoins said:
    Grade added to original post!

    The assigned grade tells me there are almost certainly issues, which don’t show in the images. There’s a far better chance of that, than that the the coin was severely under graded.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • RedstoneCoinsRedstoneCoins Posts: 218 ✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @RedstoneCoins said:
    Grade added to original post!

    The assigned grade tells me there are almost certainly issues, which don’t show in the images. There’s a far better chance of that, than that the the coin was severely under graded.

    The specks of obverse contact marks in the photos are pretty accurate to the coin in hand.

    The only issues I would see other than that are the strike (slightly weak on obverse), and luster (a little faint on the obverse).

    Overall a great coin. I do think it was undergraded. Probably a true MS64. The issues are too minor to detract 8 full points from perfect, in my opinion.

    ICG isn't perfect, they're not PCGS or NGC. They can be wrong. And at the end of the day, it's just their opinion.

    I think the change in value from MS62 to MS64 is probably around $25 or $50. Not a fortune.

    If this was a high-dollar coin, then it would be a problem. But they usually have more than one grader examine the high-value coins. A low value coin such as this might have only had one grader examine it for a few seconds.

    People make mistakes. I do not agree with it being graded MS62.

    • Austin
  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 15,008 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RedstoneCoins said:

    @MFeld said:

    @RedstoneCoins said:
    Grade added to original post!

    The assigned grade tells me there are almost certainly issues, which don’t show in the images. There’s a far better chance of that, than that the the coin was severely under graded.

    The specks of obverse contact marks in the photos are pretty accurate to the coin in hand.

    The only issues I would see other than that are the strike (slightly weak on obverse), and luster (a little faint on the obverse).

    Overall a great coin. I do think it was undergraded. Probably a true MS64. The issues are too minor to detract 8 full points from perfect, in my opinion.

    ICG isn't perfect, they're not PCGS or NGC. They can be wrong. And at the end of the day, it's just their opinion.

    I think the change in value from MS62 to MS64 is probably around $25 or $50. Not a fortune.

    If this was a high-dollar coin, then it would be a problem. But they usually have more than one grader examine the high-value coins. A low value coin such as this might have only had one grader examine it for a few seconds.

    People make mistakes. I do not agree with it being graded MS62.

    • Austin

    Based on the images, at least, the luster and strike appear to be fine for a much higher grade.

    The difference in value between a 62 and a 64 shouldn’t exceed $15.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • RedstoneCoinsRedstoneCoins Posts: 218 ✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @RedstoneCoins said:

    @MFeld said:

    @RedstoneCoins said:
    Grade added to original post!

    The assigned grade tells me there are almost certainly issues, which don’t show in the images. There’s a far better chance of that, than that the the coin was severely under graded.

    The specks of obverse contact marks in the photos are pretty accurate to the coin in hand.

    The only issues I would see other than that are the strike (slightly weak on obverse), and luster (a little faint on the obverse).

    Overall a great coin. I do think it was undergraded. Probably a true MS64. The issues are too minor to detract 8 full points from perfect, in my opinion.

    ICG isn't perfect, they're not PCGS or NGC. They can be wrong. And at the end of the day, it's just their opinion.

    I think the change in value from MS62 to MS64 is probably around $25 or $50. Not a fortune.

    If this was a high-dollar coin, then it would be a problem. But they usually have more than one grader examine the high-value coins. A low value coin such as this might have only had one grader examine it for a few seconds.

    People make mistakes. I do not agree with it being graded MS62.

    • Austin

    Based on the images, at least, the luster and strike appear to be fine for a much higher grade.

    The difference in value between a 62 and a 64 shouldn’t exceed $15.

    What issues do you think the coin likely has to merit a MS62 grade?

    You don't think it is the strike. Or luster.

    So what is it?

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 15,008 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RedstoneCoins said:

    @MFeld said:

    @RedstoneCoins said:

    @MFeld said:

    @RedstoneCoins said:
    Grade added to original post!

    The assigned grade tells me there are almost certainly issues, which don’t show in the images. There’s a far better chance of that, than that the the coin was severely under graded.

    The specks of obverse contact marks in the photos are pretty accurate to the coin in hand.

    The only issues I would see other than that are the strike (slightly weak on obverse), and luster (a little faint on the obverse).

    Overall a great coin. I do think it was undergraded. Probably a true MS64. The issues are too minor to detract 8 full points from perfect, in my opinion.

    ICG isn't perfect, they're not PCGS or NGC. They can be wrong. And at the end of the day, it's just their opinion.

    I think the change in value from MS62 to MS64 is probably around $25 or $50. Not a fortune.

    If this was a high-dollar coin, then it would be a problem. But they usually have more than one grader examine the high-value coins. A low value coin such as this might have only had one grader examine it for a few seconds.

    People make mistakes. I do not agree with it being graded MS62.

    • Austin

    Based on the images, at least, the luster and strike appear to be fine for a much higher grade.

    The difference in value between a 62 and a 64 shouldn’t exceed $15.

    What issues do you think the coin likely has to merit a MS62 grade?

    You don't think it is the strike. Or luster.

    So what is it?

    As I posted previously, the assigned grade tells me there are almost certainly issues, which don’t show in the images. It could be lightly wiped or cleaned, there might be light rub - I don't know. I'm just going with the odds.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • isaiah58isaiah58 Posts: 385 ✭✭✭

    The grade is inconsistent as the other one had many more contact marks, several in prominent areas and was given a 65.

    If the grade was based on the weaker struck areas, then that points out a problem with the service. The area at the belt position, where the reeds exit the left hand, appear to be in question. I find many high graded examples on PCGS and NGC, some with the full separation and some similar to this. Be it die degradation, I compare this with FBL on a Franklin. MS state is not affected by a weak strike across the bell lines.

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Common Walkers are hard to justify grading fees unless you have an MS65 or above.

    When that coin was graded, I believe JP Martin, Keith Love and Walt Armitage were head graders. They were tough. I had gold coins upgrade at NGC, and was surprised at how tough their grading was.

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,790 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Late to the party, original guess was 64, but I see there's hairlines so that makes sense for the 62 grade...

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