1880 O Morgan Dollar NGC MS62
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I wanted to get some expert opinions on this NGC graded coin. The photos do not show it well but this coin does exibit luster under the toning. I see very few bag marks on either side. Is the grade of MS62 because of the brown toning or is this coin undergraded? I know that this coin goes up in value considerably at higher grades. Any thoughts?
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JMO, but it looks like the Obverse has a little thumbing to it but the reverse kept it from going any lower.
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I will definitely study up on "thumbing". I'm trying to learn Morgan Dollar grading and thought this was an interesting coin to gain some knowledge from.
Clean looking Morgan. I guess there must be some rub on the obverse.
Yea sorry, just another term for some rub. The obverse has a few spots on the cap and leaves that looks like rub marks. The reverse looks nice so I think the MS62 gave the coin the benefit of the doubt.
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Hi-res/quality scanner. Be careful attempting to grade from them.
Is it yours or perhaps heritage?
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Hard to say for sure but imo that brown tone is a negative score for eye appeal. There might be some rub that was overlooked but the tarnish is enough to bring the coin down.
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“Thumbing” and “rub” are two very different things.
This is from an old PCGS article on doctoring, including “thumbing”:
“One common variation of nose grease is a process called thumbing, which is used mainly on silver dollars. In this process, the skin oils are rubbed across the desired area, with the thumb acting like a brush, rubbing the oils into the "skin" of the coin. This method is often used to obscure shiny lines or marks on the face of Miss Liberty on Morgan and Peace dollars, and is sometimes so minor that it is nearly undetectable. The breast feathers on Morgan dollars are sometimes "dulled" by this method also, especially when there is a shiny area resulting from contact. When the oils are applied vigorously, the affected areas appear duller, with the luster inhibited. When the coin is tilted under a good light source, the marks or hairlines that have been obscured by the thumbing are visible-though some "thumb" experts are so skillful at this technique that their handiwork is difficult to detect. Once you become familiar with this method, you will usually have no trouble recognizing the telltale signs-principally the dullness associated with the thumbed area.”
Link: https://www.pcgs.com/news/detecting-doctored-coins-part-2
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I still like it.
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The ding above the eye, chatter (somewhat hidden) on the cheek and the wear on the rear of the cap contribute to the grade. Also looks like a couple of minor dings on the reverse, somewhat covered by tarnish...Cheers, RickO
@MFeld, that is a good explanation. David Hall explained it to me in 2004, I believe, the same way after they body bagged a dollar for me.
@MFELD Thanks for clarifying the difference Mark. So my opinion on the coin is rub. My mistake of terminology.
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Is there a small rim ding above the I in Pluribus? Otherwise, does look cleaner than a 62 to me from the pics.
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This scan is not mine. I purchased this from Ebay and I downloaded the scans from the listing. Payed well below MS62 money so I'm not too concerned. I like the coin. Thanks for all of the great comments.
I think the coin exhibits at least MS 62 characteristics however, the general color may have held it to that. It seems very well struck for what it is.