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1787 Fugio Cent Help

OboneObone Posts: 139 ✭✭✭

Hi everyone,
I've been offered this Fugio cent, but i don't really know much about grading this series and variety. Can any help me with the variety or grade? Any help appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

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  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't know the variety. I will however, offer an opinion on grade. I'm thinking Fine + maybe VF. From your pics it appears to me to have nice surface quality.

  • kazkaz Posts: 9,280 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it's an 18-U after looking in the Bowers colonial book. He suggests a pop of 125 to 250.

  • OboneObone Posts: 139 ✭✭✭

    @kaz said:
    I think it's an 18-U after looking in the Bowers colonial book. He suggests a pop of 125 to 250.

    Do you have price guide info for this? I only have the redbook and I don't think its listed in there. Pop 125 to 250, is that rare for a series like the fugio cent?

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,884 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Try the PCGS CoinFacts site. It has pricing information and rarity numbers for US coins including colonial and early pre-federal coins.

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  • OboneObone Posts: 139 ✭✭✭

    What variety does 18-U correspond to?

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,320 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Obone said:
    What variety does 18-U correspond to?

    It's simply one of the known die marriages. Here's a mug book of Fugio die marriages. Scroll down to 18-U and you'll see -- filled A in ARE, strong clash at 12:00 on the reverse, IN in BUSINESS tilted away from each other. Yours looks no worse than VF.

  • OboneObone Posts: 139 ✭✭✭

    @messydesk said:

    @Obone said:
    What variety does 18-U correspond to?

    It's simply one of the known die marriages. Here's a mug book of Fugio die marriages. Scroll down to 18-U and you'll see -- filled A in ARE, strong clash at 12:00 on the reverse, IN in BUSINESS tilted away from each other. Yours looks no worse than VF.

    Ah got it. That really helps. Do these die marriages do much for value? Sorry, new to this type of stuff.

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,320 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Obone said:

    @messydesk said:

    @Obone said:
    What variety does 18-U correspond to?

    It's simply one of the known die marriages. Here's a mug book of Fugio die marriages. Scroll down to 18-U and you'll see -- filled A in ARE, strong clash at 12:00 on the reverse, IN in BUSINESS tilted away from each other. Yours looks no worse than VF.

    Ah got it. That really helps. Do these die marriages do much for value? Sorry, new to this type of stuff.

    Some do, some don't. I'm not so up on which are which, but in your case, I don't think it does. I based this on searching the Heritage archive for "Fugio 18-U" and not finding a high rarity rating or premium on sales prices.

  • kazkaz Posts: 9,280 ✭✭✭✭✭

    you can look at sale prices for graded examples here: https://pcgs.com/auctionprices/details/1787-states-uni-4-cinq-ms-fugio/884

    price ranges on these are pretty wide. The OP coin has a good qualilty planchet, full legends (some weakness on the right side of the sundial) and no bad marks. A nice example of the type.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,786 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All in all a pretty decent example, assuming there is nothing significant in that cut-off area at the top of the reverse.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,884 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    All in all a pretty decent example, assuming there is nothing significant in that cut-off area at the top of the reverse.

    When I first saw it, I thought it was struck on a straight clipped planchet. :D

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