1787 Fugio Cent Help

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Obone
Obone Posts: 139 ✭✭✭
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Hi everyone,
I've been offered this Fugio cent, but i don't really know much about grading this series and variety. Can any help me with the variety or grade? Any help appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

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  • jedm
    jedm Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I don't know the variety. I will however, offer an opinion on grade. I'm thinking Fine + maybe VF. From your pics it appears to me to have nice surface quality.

  • kaz
    kaz Posts: 9,378 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I think it's an 18-U after looking in the Bowers colonial book. He suggests a pop of 125 to 250.

  • Obone
    Obone Posts: 139 ✭✭✭
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    @kaz said:
    I think it's an 18-U after looking in the Bowers colonial book. He suggests a pop of 125 to 250.

    Do you have price guide info for this? I only have the redbook and I don't think its listed in there. Pop 125 to 250, is that rare for a series like the fugio cent?

  • PerryHall
    PerryHall Posts: 47,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Try the PCGS CoinFacts site. It has pricing information and rarity numbers for US coins including colonial and early pre-federal coins.

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  • Obone
    Obone Posts: 139 ✭✭✭
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    What variety does 18-U correspond to?

  • messydesk
    messydesk Posts: 20,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Obone said:
    What variety does 18-U correspond to?

    It's simply one of the known die marriages. Here's a mug book of Fugio die marriages. Scroll down to 18-U and you'll see -- filled A in ARE, strong clash at 12:00 on the reverse, IN in BUSINESS tilted away from each other. Yours looks no worse than VF.

    John
    Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
  • Obone
    Obone Posts: 139 ✭✭✭
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    @messydesk said:

    @Obone said:
    What variety does 18-U correspond to?

    It's simply one of the known die marriages. Here's a mug book of Fugio die marriages. Scroll down to 18-U and you'll see -- filled A in ARE, strong clash at 12:00 on the reverse, IN in BUSINESS tilted away from each other. Yours looks no worse than VF.

    Ah got it. That really helps. Do these die marriages do much for value? Sorry, new to this type of stuff.

  • messydesk
    messydesk Posts: 20,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Obone said:

    @messydesk said:

    @Obone said:
    What variety does 18-U correspond to?

    It's simply one of the known die marriages. Here's a mug book of Fugio die marriages. Scroll down to 18-U and you'll see -- filled A in ARE, strong clash at 12:00 on the reverse, IN in BUSINESS tilted away from each other. Yours looks no worse than VF.

    Ah got it. That really helps. Do these die marriages do much for value? Sorry, new to this type of stuff.

    Some do, some don't. I'm not so up on which are which, but in your case, I don't think it does. I based this on searching the Heritage archive for "Fugio 18-U" and not finding a high rarity rating or premium on sales prices.

    John
    Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
  • kaz
    kaz Posts: 9,378 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    you can look at sale prices for graded examples here: https://pcgs.com/auctionprices/details/1787-states-uni-4-cinq-ms-fugio/884

    price ranges on these are pretty wide. The OP coin has a good qualilty planchet, full legends (some weakness on the right side of the sundial) and no bad marks. A nice example of the type.

  • CaptHenway
    CaptHenway Posts: 34,178 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    All in all a pretty decent example, assuming there is nothing significant in that cut-off area at the top of the reverse.

    Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
  • PerryHall
    PerryHall Posts: 47,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @CaptHenway said:
    All in all a pretty decent example, assuming there is nothing significant in that cut-off area at the top of the reverse.

    When I first saw it, I thought it was struck on a straight clipped planchet. :D

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