GTG - Standing Liberty Quarter
What y'all think? 
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MS62 FH
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I don't know but it sure is pretty!
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Wow nice color...64FH?
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I like it . . . . .
MS64
Drunner
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Looks like a gem to me, but i'm not an expert on these.
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I'm calling it an orange beauty! MS 64? yeah!
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64FH*? Pretty amazing toning; don't think I've ever seen one like that.
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It has personality. 65 fh
BT&C1 -
MS65* FH
"Today the crumbs, tomorrow the
loaf. Perhaps someday the whole damn boulangerie." - fictional Jack Rackham2 -
64fh
Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc
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65 FH
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65 FH.
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64 FH Nice coin nice color
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64
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64 FH
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@50cCOMMEMGUY said:
MS65* FHThis.
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Really interesting toning pattern. Is that a delamination on the wing? Not my series but I'd guess 64 or 65. Luster looks a bit stronger on the obverse. Probably also a FH and a star.
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Very nice. I’ll go 64 FH.
Dave
Always looking for original, better date VF20-VF35 Barber quarters and halves, and a quality beer.0 -
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Torn between 64 and 65 FH
Respectfully, Mark 0 -
66*FH
TomT-1794
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I'm in the 65FH crowd. Nice coin!
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I’ll go with the MS64 FH group.
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66+ FH*
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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Wow, a rough crowd!
@Mfeld is the closest. This coin grades NGC MS67FH. I'm thinking the toning may have blocked some of the detail in the picture, particularly the strike. It's very sharply struck with one or two tics I can see only through magnification - nothing else. In hand it is very lustrous which is hard to photograph (for me at least). The reverse luster can be seen better than the obverse in the picture.In any case, I'm proud to own this beauty, and thanks for playing!
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I had it at 67 anyway but late - Agree the reverse luster is more obvious.
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In fact, if mine I would send in for crossover and hopefully a + bump.
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@CoinscratchFever said:
In fact, if mine I would send in for crossover and hopefully a + bump.It's actually headed to PCGS right now. Hoping for the same thing.
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Very nice
Collector, occasional seller
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@android01 said:
@CoinscratchFever said:
In fact, if mine I would send in for crossover and hopefully a + bump.It's actually headed to PCGS right now. Hoping for the same thing.
Nice! Then I would Cac that bad MoFo for good measure.
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The photos were a bit dark, which didn't really highlight the coin's luster. I still can't tell if that's a delamination on the eagle's wing.
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@CoinJunkie said:
The photos were a bit dark, which didn't really highlight the coin's luster. I still can't tell if that's a delamination on the eagle's wing.No delamination, just a toning spot
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@android01 said:
@CoinscratchFever said:
In fact, if mine I would send in for crossover and hopefully a + bump.It's actually headed to PCGS right now. Hoping for the same thing.
I would say the odds are not good at all for that. At the 66/67 level in FH SLQ's, PCGS is very strict on crosses. Lots of premium in play in those lofty grades. I feel PCGS grades these stricter than NGC. NGC rewards interesting original toning while PCGS prefers to reward dazzling brilliance/blast white.
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@roadrunner said:
@android01 said:
@CoinscratchFever said:
In fact, if mine I would send in for crossover and hopefully a + bump.It's actually headed to PCGS right now. Hoping for the same thing.
I would say the odds are not good at all for that. At the 66/67 level in FH SLQ's, PCGS is very strict on crosses. Lots of premium in play in those lofty grades. I feel PCGS grades these stricter than NGC. NGC rewards interesting original toning while PCGS prefers to reward dazzling brilliance/blast white.
I agree, but will add a caveat for monster toning. With that said, I am surprised by the star designation guesses. While SLQs are notoriously difficult with nice color, the splotchy toning on the reverse does this coin no favors.
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@roadrunner said:
@android01 said:
@CoinscratchFever said:
In fact, if mine I would send in for crossover and hopefully a + bump.It's actually headed to PCGS right now. Hoping for the same thing.
I would say the odds are not good at all for that. At the 66/67 level in FH SLQ's, PCGS is very strict on crosses. Lots of premium in play in those lofty grades. I feel PCGS grades these stricter than NGC. NGC rewards interesting original toning while PCGS prefers to reward dazzling brilliance/blast white.
Correct me if I'm wrong but your implying when a coin comes with a higher premium that the grading standards will also be higher? Higher than normal that is. Forgive me but I've only made it through coin grading 101 and obviously still have a lot to learn of the nuances within. And something tells me there isn't a book on this one.
I would have be shocked if it came back less than 67 but now you have me thinking MFeld is very insightful.
Hypothetical Question: Would you have dipped said coin or would that only make matters worse?0 -
@cameonut2011 said:
@roadrunner said:
@android01 said:
@CoinscratchFever said:
In fact, if mine I would send in for crossover and hopefully a + bump.It's actually headed to PCGS right now. Hoping for the same thing.
I would say the odds are not good at all for that. At the 66/67 level in FH SLQ's, PCGS is very strict on crosses. Lots of premium in play in those lofty grades. I feel PCGS grades these stricter than NGC. NGC rewards interesting original toning while PCGS prefers to reward dazzling brilliance/blast white.
I agree, but will add a caveat for monster toning. With that said, I am surprised by the star designation guesses. While SLQs are notoriously difficult with nice color, the splotchy toning on the reverse does this coin no favors.
From my observations, the NGC star is often (and justifiably) awarded for toning that falls short of "monster" color. And in this case, the toning looks very attractive, despite the fact that the lighting appears to be insufficient.
While you were surprised by the star designation guesses, I was surprised by so many grade guesses below MS66.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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@CoinscratchFever said:
@roadrunner said:
@android01 said:
@CoinscratchFever said:
In fact, if mine I would send in for crossover and hopefully a + bump.It's actually headed to PCGS right now. Hoping for the same thing.
I would say the odds are not good at all for that. At the 66/67 level in FH SLQ's, PCGS is very strict on crosses. Lots of premium in play in those lofty grades. I feel PCGS grades these stricter than NGC. NGC rewards interesting original toning while PCGS prefers to reward dazzling brilliance/blast white.
Correct me if I'm wrong but your implying when a coin comes with a higher premium that the grading standards will also be higher? Higher than normal that is. Forgive me but I've only made it through coin grading 101 and obviously still have a lot to learn of the nuances within. And something tells me there isn't a book on this one.
I would have be shocked if it came back less than 67 but now you have me thinking MFeld is very insightful.
Hypothetical Question: Would you have dipped said coin or would that only make matters worse?When the price jump between grades is high (and the TPG's price risk is high as well) then yes, the TPG's will probably more closely scrutinize said coin. They can't crack it out to inspect ALL of it up close. They will err on the conservative side. One could say the "grading standards" when "crossing" are tougher because you're giving the TPG less to work with. Crossing Over and Grading are not the same thing. But both do involve grading/evaluating the coin. You're right, there's no "book" on this one. Just a compilation of everyone's experiences. Unless you give PCGS permission to crack the coin out to regrade it, they will be tougher than if they were grading it raw. I would never dip that coin. It's fine as is and has an interesting and attractive look. I just know from experience that PCGS tends to not reward browish/golden mottled toning. NGC does tend to reward for it. And CAC doesn't care what either of them think. They have their own standards.
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@roadrunner . Thanks!
I just assumed that when sending in for crossover they would automatically crack and grade. If I'm reading this right your saying you have a better chance sending in raw? I think I would have a hard time removing the previous grade before sending in. As if by them seeing the previous 67 would matter.0 -
The chances of getting a higher grade is probably improved when raw. All biases of what holder the coin was in are removed. But you've also unleashed the potential for a lower grade where some flaw along the edge, rim, or under toning was not caught the first time through. Then the coin down grades and you take a hit on it. If the coin had questionable toning the first time through and still graded, it might not grade the next time in. So to try and avoid the trap door by resubmitting raw, a lot of people will go to CAC first. If it stickers, at least the odds of a down grade or no grade on a raw re-submission are reduced.
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That's good to know and for piece of mind when it comes to our graders. At this point I have only sent in one raw coin that I cracked and submitted (none for crossover). I don't remember the name maybe SEC it was a small and white holder, 1966 25C PR67. PCGS upgraded it to 68. Thanks again for all the info...
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@MFeld said:
@cameonut2011 said:
@roadrunner said:
@android01 said:
@CoinscratchFever said:
In fact, if mine I would send in for crossover and hopefully a + bump.It's actually headed to PCGS right now. Hoping for the same thing.
I would say the odds are not good at all for that. At the 66/67 level in FH SLQ's, PCGS is very strict on crosses. Lots of premium in play in those lofty grades. I feel PCGS grades these stricter than NGC. NGC rewards interesting original toning while PCGS prefers to reward dazzling brilliance/blast white.
I agree, but will add a caveat for monster toning. With that said, I am surprised by the star designation guesses. While SLQs are notoriously difficult with nice color, the splotchy toning on the reverse does this coin no favors.
From my observations, the NGC star is often (and justifiably) awarded for toning that falls short of "monster" color. And in this case, the toning looks very attractive, despite the fact that the lighting appears to be insufficient.
While you were surprised by the star designation guesses, I was surprised by so many grade guesses below MS66.
B/C it's not a great pic to have merited 66-67 guesses imho.
In hindsight I would have gtg at 64FHGorgeous piece - I hope our hosts surprise you.
then you'll post the TV1 -
@MFeld said:
@cameonut2011 said:
@roadrunner said:
@android01 said:
@CoinscratchFever said:
In fact, if mine I would send in for crossover and hopefully a + bump.It's actually headed to PCGS right now. Hoping for the same thing.
I would say the odds are not good at all for that. At the 66/67 level in FH SLQ's, PCGS is very strict on crosses. Lots of premium in play in those lofty grades. I feel PCGS grades these stricter than NGC. NGC rewards interesting original toning while PCGS prefers to reward dazzling brilliance/blast white.
I agree, but will add a caveat for monster toning. With that said, I am surprised by the star designation guesses. While SLQs are notoriously difficult with nice color, the splotchy toning on the reverse does this coin no favors.
From my observations, the NGC star is often (and justifiably) awarded for toning that falls short of "monster" color. And in this case, the toning looks very attractive, despite the fact that the lighting appears to be insufficient.
The monster toning comment was made to note an exception to RR's observation regarding PCGS's treatment of thick, richly toned coins in higher grades and not in reference to the star designation. I am open to the possibility that it may look much more attractive in better lighting conditions. I do not think the toning is going to work in this coin's favor for a straight cross as a 67 and would most likely come back at the 66 level. I genuinely hope I am wrong.
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UPDATE
As many of you surmised, the coin did NOT cross. I wish a reason was provided by our hosts as I thought it was a slam dunk cross. I didn't specify to cross at any grade, so it's still a NGC MS67. I still love it regardless of the holder it's in. Fortunately, several other coins I sent in got upgrades - three with a plus and one with a full point upgrade.
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Have it conserved and then send it back in.
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@HighRelief said:
Have it conserved and then send it back in.Sure fire way to end up a too bright MS65/66 coin. Ouch. There are plenty of buyers for that coin just as it is. It's ok as is and has good eye appeal imo. I would also suggest that if graded NGC MS66* it still probably wouldn't cross...at least not every time seen. That's an "NGC type of coin." That's what they like. And many others like that as well. Nothing wrong with that.
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Love the toning! The only thing that bothers me at this grade level is the reverse toning spot.
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@shish said:
Love the toning! The only thing that bothers me at this grade level is the reverse toning spot.I'm not sure if your comment represented just a personal preference. But in case not, many coins of that grade and higher are readily acceptable with toning spots of that type.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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Just my personal preference, the central location of the spot is a distraction.
Liberty Seated and Trade Dollar Specialist0
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