Yesteryear Slabs with Exonumia

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Zoins
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edited April 15, 2020 3:25AM in U.S. Coin Forum

It's fun seeing old slabs to relive the early days of slabbing.

It's even more interesting when the encapsulated material is unusual.

This is a thread for old slab tokens and medals.

Here's one I just ran across. There's a collection of these on eBay.

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  • Jimnight
    Jimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I don't have any slabs that look like that.

  • Timbuk3
    Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Yup, I remember those ACG slabs !!! :)

    Timbuk3
  • Namvet69
    Namvet69 Posts: 9,423 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Never seen that one before. What was the lifespan of ACG? Peace Roy

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  • PerryHall
    PerryHall Posts: 47,753 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I believe ACG was the first third party grader that slabbed coins. Anyone know of any TPG slab that preceded ACG?

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  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I recall seeing a couple of those at coin shows in the PNW..... This was in the mid to late nineties...Not with that particular HTT though...Cheers, RickO

  • BuffaloIronTail
    BuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I remember ACG. They were around for awhile but never made the big time. I stayed away from them, thinking they were a lower tier fly by night outfit.

    Pete

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  • U1chicago
    U1chicago Posts: 6,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I’ve seen a few of these (don’t have the reverse image). It’s called First Token Grading Service and they used the ACG style holder (probably licensed it from them).

  • tokenpro
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    FTGS was out of the NYC area (Long Island?) and only lasted a couple of years. The accuracy of the grading was about what you would expect from a somewhat experienced collector but the accuracy of the labels was often a crap shoot -- typos galore, mistaken identifications, quality control, etc. They (he) also had a bad habit of slabbing items with which he was not familiar so some unidentified restrikes, fakes, etc. made it into holders as well. Despite the mentioned problems, I think the bottom line was that FTGS was just too early into the game with no acceptance of the concept of exonumia in slabs in the market.

  • oih82w8
    oih82w8 Posts: 13,209 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Neat Hard Times Token! I only have one Accugrade slab, 1957 50C MS65


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  • 09sVDB
    09sVDB Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭
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    ACG. They were the stepchild of the day. Wonder how many original slabs are still around? Noted for waaaay overgrading . For those who don't know.

  • GRANDAM
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    I believe that ACG invented the "SLAB" holder and patented it and later sold the rights to PCGS & later NGC.

    GrandAm :)
  • koynekwest
    koynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Did ANACS precede them? At any rate they were a horrible grading service.

  • PerryHall
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    @koynekwest said:
    Did ANACS precede them? At any rate they were a horrible grading service.

    No. ANACS started slabbing coins in 1979.

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  • johnny9434
    johnny9434 Posts: 34,068 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I got one acg with an ike dollar. I never saw the other one

  • tokenpro
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    Don't forget the ACG Midwest Division that set up at larger local and smaller regional shows throughout the Upper Midwest for a couple of years. They offered on-site grading & a walk-through service, sometimes hiring a local dealer as a "finalizer" when needed. They got uninvited to a number of shows due to the squeal of the slab sealing machine on the bourse floor (among other reasons).

  • BStrauss3
    BStrauss3 Posts: 3,906 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @PerryHall said:
    I believe ACG was the first third party grader that slabbed coins. Anyone know of any TPG slab that preceded ACG?

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  • BStrauss3
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    @GRANDAM said:
    I believe that ACG invented the "SLAB" holder and patented it and later sold the rights to PCGS & later NGC.

    Conder101 says that there were rumored to be some kind of agreement between Accugrade and PCGS, but neither party has ever confirmed it and in fact, PCGS denies it.

    Based on the ads from that era, I would have to say it didn't happen ... certainly, ACG wasn't hesitating to throw names around and they didn't mention PCGS other than the label tint.

    And of course, the list of dealers, let's just say many of them would rather forget their involvement...

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  • Insider2
    Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AFAIK Accugrade was the first plastic slab. The rest followed. I believe there was also either a transfer of "rights" or a court fight. I don't know why any of this should be hush, hush. It is part of our numismatic history and I'll guarantee there are dozens of folks around (including Alan Hagar and probably Robert Paul) who know the entire story.

  • Zoins
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    That's a classic medal and slab @Cameonut ! I love it!

    I put the images together for easy side-by-side viewing.

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  • Zoins
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    Here's a Civil War Token I ran acrosss from First Token Grading Service.

    PCGS has an announcement on this company from Jan 1, 2001:

    One of the year's more interesting developments was the establishment of the First Token Grading Service in Amityville, New York, a company that grades and encapsulates U.S. tokens. The company's founder, Kevin Donahue, is a coin-market veteran who hopes to attract submissions from solid collectors. I'm told that items certified by the service will soon be included on the Teletype trading network. The firm's address is P.O. Box 515, Amityville, NY 11701.

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  • Treashunt
    Treashunt Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Zoins said:
    Here's a Civil War Token I ran acrosss from First Token Grading Service.

    PCGS has an announcement on this company from Jan 1, 2001:

    One of the year's more interesting developments was the establishment of the First Token Grading Service in Amityville, New York, a company that grades and encapsulates U.S. tokens. The company's founder, Kevin Donahue, is a coin-market veteran who hopes to attract submissions from solid collectors. I'm told that items certified by the service will soon be included on the Teletype trading network. The firm's address is P.O. Box 515, Amityville, NY 11701.

    Is this a recent company?

    Is it still in business?

    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • PerryHall
    PerryHall Posts: 47,753 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Treashunt said:

    @Zoins said:
    Here's a Civil War Token I ran acrosss from First Token Grading Service.

    PCGS has an announcement on this company from Jan 1, 2001:

    One of the year's more interesting developments was the establishment of the First Token Grading Service in Amityville, New York, a company that grades and encapsulates U.S. tokens. The company's founder, Kevin Donahue, is a coin-market veteran who hopes to attract submissions from solid collectors. I'm told that items certified by the service will soon be included on the Teletype trading network. The firm's address is P.O. Box 515, Amityville, NY 11701.

    Is this a recent company?

    Is it still in business?

    The thread title says "Yesteryear Slabs" so it's safe to assume this is an old slab from a now defunct company.

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  • Treashunt
    Treashunt Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @PerryHall said:

    @Treashunt said:

    @Zoins said:
    Here's a Civil War Token I ran acrosss from First Token Grading Service.

    PCGS has an announcement on this company from Jan 1, 2001:

    One of the year's more interesting developments was the establishment of the First Token Grading Service in Amityville, New York, a company that grades and encapsulates U.S. tokens. The company's founder, Kevin Donahue, is a coin-market veteran who hopes to attract submissions from solid collectors. I'm told that items certified by the service will soon be included on the Teletype trading network. The firm's address is P.O. Box 515, Amityville, NY 11701.

    Is this a recent company?

    Is it still in business?

    The thread title says "Yesteryear Slabs" so it's safe to assume this is an old slab from a now defunct company.

    Oops!
    Thanks

    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • CaptHenway
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    @PerryHall said:

    @koynekwest said:
    Did ANACS precede them? At any rate they were a horrible grading service.

    No. ANACS started slabbing coins in 1979.

    Wrong. ANACS started grading coins in 1979. It began using slabs in 1989.

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  • tokenpro
    tokenpro Posts: 940 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Treashunt said:

    @Zoins said:
    Here's a Civil War Token I ran acrosss from First Token Grading Service.

    PCGS has an announcement on this company from Jan 1, 2001:

    One of the year's more interesting developments was the establishment of the First Token Grading Service in Amityville, New York, a company that grades and encapsulates U.S. tokens. The company's founder, Kevin Donahue, is a coin-market veteran who hopes to attract submissions from solid collectors. I'm told that items certified by the service will soon be included on the Teletype trading network. The firm's address is P.O. Box 515, Amityville, NY 11701.

    Is this a recent company?

    Is it still in business?

    See my comments on this company in an April 15 post earlier in this thread.

  • Treashunt
    Treashunt Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @tokenpro said:

    @Treashunt said:

    @Zoins said:
    Here's a Civil War Token I ran acrosss from First Token Grading Service.

    PCGS has an announcement on this company from Jan 1, 2001:

    One of the year's more interesting developments was the establishment of the First Token Grading Service in Amityville, New York, a company that grades and encapsulates U.S. tokens. The company's founder, Kevin Donahue, is a coin-market veteran who hopes to attract submissions from solid collectors. I'm told that items certified by the service will soon be included on the Teletype trading network. The firm's address is P.O. Box 515, Amityville, NY 11701.

    Is this a recent company?

    Is it still in business?

    See my comments on this company in an April 15 post earlier in this thread.

    okay

    Frank

    BHNC #203

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