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Plaster Models of Pattern 1916 Standing Liberty Quarter

JesseKraftJesseKraft Posts: 414 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 8, 2020 1:58PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Obverse of Pattern 1916 Standing Liberty Quarter, uniface plaster model, 163mm. By Hermon A. MacNeil
American Numismatic Society, 2012.65.1

Reverse of Pattern 1916 Standing Liberty Quarter, uniface plaster model, 148mm. By Hermon A. MacNeil
American Numismatic Society, 2012.65.2

The tag on back reads:

NATIONAL SCULPTURE SOCIETY
EXHIBITION OF 1923
Exhibitor's Name: [written] H.A. MacNeil
Address: [written] College Point, NY
Agent: [illegible]
Address: [blank]
Full Title: [written] 4 studies (Reverse)
Quarter Dollar U.S.A.

LABEL—To be attached to exhibit.
Fill in by printing, not writing. This label must
correspond with Entry Slip.
The National Sculpture Society will not be responsible
for the loss of, or any damage to, any of the exhibits
arising from any cause whatsoever during carriage
or while in its custody.

Jesse C. Kraft, Ph.D.
Resolute Americana Curator of American Numismatics
American Numismatic Society
New York City

Member of the American Numismatic Association (ANA), British Numismatic Society (BNS), New York Numismatic Club (NYNC), Early American Copper (EAC), the Colonial Coin Collectors Club (C4), U.S. Mexican Numismatic Association (USMNA), Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC), Token and Medal Society (TAMS), and life member of the Atlantic County Numismatic Society (ACNS).
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  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice! Now let’s make some more galvanos, hubs, and dies. Change the date to 2020 and make it 90% silver.

  • carabonnaircarabonnair Posts: 1,444 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not the olive branch reverse, but clearly a different arrangement of stars and motto. The eagle is not low, as on the issued 1916. Thanks for sharing!

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is amazing. I love it!

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • goldengolden Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So cool!

  • boiler78boiler78 Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those are Fantastic!!

  • JesseKraftJesseKraft Posts: 414 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Also note the retrograde S on the reverse.

    Jesse C. Kraft, Ph.D.
    Resolute Americana Curator of American Numismatics
    American Numismatic Society
    New York City

    Member of the American Numismatic Association (ANA), British Numismatic Society (BNS), New York Numismatic Club (NYNC), Early American Copper (EAC), the Colonial Coin Collectors Club (C4), U.S. Mexican Numismatic Association (USMNA), Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC), Token and Medal Society (TAMS), and life member of the Atlantic County Numismatic Society (ACNS).
    Become a member of the American Numismatic Society!

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,638 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Post of the Week!

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TurtleCat said:
    Nice! Now let’s make some more galvanos, hubs, and dies. Change the date to 2020 and make it 90% silver.

    For general circulation with a no design change clause for 25 year minimum.

    Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.

  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I especially like the obverse denticles. Reminds me of those found on the 1899-1914 France 20-Francs gold coins, but they have fleur-de-lys between the oval lozenges.

    thefinn
  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,519 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like the sandal ankle straps.

    oih82w8 = Oh I Hate To Wait _defectus patientia_aka...Dr. Defecto - Curator of RMO's

    BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore, Nickpatton, Namvet69,...
  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Classic.

    Successful transactions:Tookybandit. "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others".
  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,543 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:
    This is amazing. I love it!

    Agreed. This is the first time I've seen it.

    And yes........I've always said that "If you think you've seen it all, there's always one more".

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Really nice with some unique features... Not sure why the 's' in pluribus is reversed though... all the other S's are correct.....Cheers, RickO

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Even more impressive in hand as I had a chance to hold the pair at lot viewing when sold by Stacks/Bowers.

    As I recall these had been trashed when Herman's studio was cleaned out after his death.

    Salvaged by the housekeepers son who did some dumpster diving.

    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • gonzergonzer Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The '6' in the date looks ready to topple over.

  • carabonnaircarabonnair Posts: 1,444 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TurtleCat said:
    Nice! Now let’s make some more galvanos, hubs, and dies. Change the date to 2020 and make it 90% silver.

    Even part of the design would be better than some coins I have seen:

  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @carabonnair said:

    @TurtleCat said:
    Nice! Now let’s make some more galvanos, hubs, and dies. Change the date to 2020 and make it 90% silver.

    Even part of the design would be better than some coins I have seen:

    Yep. Even if they made these in clad it would be better than what we have today.

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,519 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I really wish that the classics would make their circulation return, it WOULD, IMO, stimulate more collectors!

    oih82w8 = Oh I Hate To Wait _defectus patientia_aka...Dr. Defecto - Curator of RMO's

    BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore, Nickpatton, Namvet69,...
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,602 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oih82w8 said:
    I really wish that the classics would make their circulation return, it WOULD, IMO, stimulate more collectors!

    It's unlikely for regular circulation coins. They now seem to be in the province of the politicians. The best you can hope for is classic designs on some of the more obscure bullion issues.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • RKKayRKKay Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭

    @JesseKraft said:
    Obverse of Pattern 1916 Standing Liberty Quarter, uniface plaster model, 163mm. By Hermon A. MacNeil
    American Numismatic Society, 2012.65.1

    Reverse of Pattern 1916 Standing Liberty Quarter, uniface plaster model, 148mm. By Hermon A. MacNeil
    American Numismatic Society, 2012.65.2

    The tag on back reads:

    NATIONAL SCULPTURE SOCIETY
    EXHIBITION OF 1923
    Exhibitor's Name: [written] H.A. MacNeil
    Address: [written] College Point, NY
    Agent: [illegible]
    Address: [blank]
    Full Title: [written] 4 studies (Reverse)
    Quarter Dollar U.S.A.

    LABEL—To be attached to exhibit.
    Fill in by printing, not writing. This label must
    correspond with Entry Slip.
    The National Sculpture Society will not be responsible
    for the loss of, or any damage to, any of the exhibits
    arising from any cause whatsoever during carriage
    or while in its custody.

    Just saw this post. AWESOME!

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    WOW ... that's nice. I never seen anything like that.

  • TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sweet 16

    Trade $'s
  • ThreeCentSilverFLThreeCentSilverFL Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice high relief eagle!

  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oih82w8 said:
    I really wish that the classics would make their circulation return, it WOULD, IMO, stimulate more collectors!

    I totally agree.

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,543 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This one is way cool:

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,850 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I much prefer some of the design elements here, especially the hair and sandals. The hair carries a sense of fluidity and movement that the realized coin lacks.

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 1, 2020 4:33AM

    @BuffaloIronTail said:
    This one is way cool:

    Pete

    .
    .
    .
    Does anybody here know who currently owns those (especially the obverse) ?
    I came within a few hours (literally) of working out a deal with Heritage to buy the obverse.
    It was a post-auction situation where it didn't sell in the live auction and it was on their web site for sale or offer.
    I made an offer a little under the "buy now" price.
    Then just before a deal was to be made, apparently, someone else bought it.
    I still kick myself for not just doing the "buy now" option when I had the chance.

    Had I been able to acquire it, I would have utilized it to make over-strikes like I did of the "Broken Sword" Peace.

    Maybe the current owner would make a deal and/or let me borrow it ?

    .

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,638 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BuffaloIronTail said:
    This one is way cool:

    Pete

    If you will check Roger Burdette's "Renaissance of American Coinage, 1916-1921" you will see on P. 49 that the dolphin obverse is not MacNeil's original obverse. It is an alternate design prepared in August of 1916 and the last revision that he did in that year. The coin as struck late in the year is more like the original design.

    On P. 83 you will see that the reverse with two stars left of the eagle and one star right is actually the third of three alternate reverses that he prepared in 1917 for the revision made in that year. On P. 82 you will see the first alternate reverse with the backwards S (above).

    Comments courtesy of a friend.

    TD

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,543 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks, Tom. I stand corrected.

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon

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