What caused this on a 1925 Norse-American Centennial Medal
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I think it is a doubled die.
It's my understanding (by someone who tried) that PCGS won't certify it as such.
It looks like possibly an extreme case of strike doubling. Is that the thin or thick version (I'm guessing the latter) ?
Thin.
Wow... That is extreme strike doubling.... Never saw one like that before...Cheers, RickO
Zowie! That date looks like dd to me and CENTENNIAL is off the hook. Did you get a specific explanation as to what our host felt this condition is? Peace Roy
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Was it double struck to bring up the detail? If it was and the die shifted slightly you would expect this type of doubling.
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I'm not the one who sent it in or owns it. It belongs to a friend.
Actually I apologize. I just reread his email to me and he didn't say the seller asked it to be slabbed as a DD. I misread it. He said he suspects the seller did.
I've seen these before, none were slabbed as a DD. If they were you know they would be slabbed as such.
Edited to fix typo.
Sorry, my quick response was simply based on this previous discussion that I was recalling.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1030002/my-coworker-brought-in-a-norse-for-me-to-check-out
There is also one in the H.A. archives, certified by PCGS as “Top of Obv Dbl Struck”.
https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/1925-medal-norse-medal-thin-planchet-top-of-obverse-double-struck-ms64-pcgs/a/1294-8723.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515
Here's one certified by our host...
Looks pretty cool!
Fascinating!
If it is a doubled die, there should be more of them out there.
Absolutely.The fact that I've never seen one or heard of one before this means nothing. These coins were struck on a medal press. I don't claim to be an error expert but AFAIK the only way this could be a doubled die medal is if the piece received a partial strike from a tilted hub. I don't believe it.
Additionally, IMHO, the medal IS NOT double struck either! Please show me an example of any die struck piece where the second strike did not flatten parts of the first strike. Also only one small part of the piece is doubled.
I'll rule out ejection doubling also because the letters are just as would be found on a doubled die coin. Good mystery.
I wonder what year these were first seen? Any of these in auction prior to 1970?
@CaptHenway and @Insider2
Are y'all talking about the "Top of Obv Dbl Struck" or the one in the OP? The one in the OP I've seen several times over the past couple of years.
Do you have pictures of other pieces for comparison?
No I don't. They were all on eBay with good pictures. A friend currently owns two of them.
One of my favorite US metals .
Looks to be strike doubling to me.
Joe
See if you can find links to completed sales.
Here is one from the thread I linked.
Interesting. I like it.
This is the only one I can find which is the one in the OP.
https://ebay.com/itm/1925-PCGS-AU58-Norse-DDO-THIN-Medal-Silver-Unattributed-Doubled-Die-Obverse-Wow-/174214551969?hash=item288fff19a1%3Ag%3AcrwAAOSwBYpdm~bd&nma=true&si=uatPau06ixr0s5yG05rZQBKmE%252BU%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Any of them in the Heritage archives?