After two episodes, I've given up trying to spend old/odd money.
1) Tried to use a few $1 Silver Certificates to pay for parking. That resulted in my explanation, long wait and ultimately a phone call to an off-site manager who knew what they were and instructed the attendant to take them.
2) Tried to pay for a sandwich with a 1934 Series note. The teenage clerk said it wasn't really money. Again an explanation was proffered followed by the clerk summoning a manger (who was maybe 23). Another explanation was made by me which was greeted by glassy looks. Ultimately the manager asked me to pay another way.
Now, I take all of the old notes (with no collector value) to the bank.
In most cases, I would be surprised if the bank employees knew what they were.
After two episodes, I've given up trying to spend old/odd money.
1) Tried to use a few $1 Silver Certificates to pay for parking. That resulted in my explanation, long wait and ultimately a phone call to an off-site manager who knew what they were and instructed the attendant to take them.
2) Tried to pay for a sandwich with a 1934 Series note. The teenage clerk said it wasn't really money. Again an explanation was proffered followed by the clerk summoning a manger (who was maybe 23). Another explanation was made by me which was greeted by glassy looks. Ultimately the manager asked me to pay another way.
Now, I take all of the old notes (with no collector value) to the bank.
In most cases, I would be surprised if the bank employees knew what they were.
Banks have rolls and rolls of Sacs, SBAs and Presidential dollars....Half of the people don't know what they are and the other half don't want them.
Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍
The moral of the story, the subsequent posts and other efforts to understand the impossible should lead one to conclude there is significant value in a History degree. Post Graduate work will be reserved for the next train wreck
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
@kaz said:
Bear in mind, these are the people who will be caring for us in our dotage!
Send one over.......
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
CaptHenway,
Either you enjoy playing with fire, or you have miscounted. At this level of intellect, you will need two care givers to screw in a light bulb or boil an egg, and three to four for more complex household tasks.
Member: EAC, NBS, C4, CWTS, ANA
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
And frumpy dumpy old geezer has beens wonder why people below 40 don't collect coins, yes, coins, those shiny round things that can buy, well, what can you buy of any importance with a single coin?
Coins: What old people fumble around with out of purses and pockets to tie up the line checking out at the store.
Come to the forum, get a ration of grief slamming the intelligence, morals, and ethics of an entire generation or two. .
Heather, I hope I am OK trying to offset the 12+ negative generational based comments posted.
I had one youngster call me a 'boomer'... asked him if he knew what that was... he said 'old people'. Was not worth explaining it to him...most cannot understand anyway. For the record, I am not a 'boomer'... I am pre-boomer ...Yep...Cheers, RickO
@ricko said:
I had one youngster call me a 'boomer'... asked him if he knew what that was... he said 'old people'. Was not worth explaining it to him...most cannot understand anyway. For the record, I am not a 'boomer'... I am pre-boomer ...Yep...Cheers, RickO
Okay, pre-Boomer
Tir nam beann, nan gleann, s'nan gaisgeach ~ Saorstat Albanaich a nis!
The cashiers around here have become so much more efficient the last couple of weeks. They get 10 customers moving down the line now, faster than it would have taken them to get two or three customers a just month ago. And people are buying more items now. I don't get it.
@ricko said:
I had one youngster call me a 'boomer'... asked him if he knew what that was... he said 'old people'. Was not worth explaining it to him...most cannot understand anyway. For the record, I am not a 'boomer'... I am pre-boomer ...Yep...Cheers, RickO
It hasn't happened yet, but if someone says, "Okay boomer" to me, they will see why I carry pepper spray.
@ricko said:
I had one youngster call me a 'boomer'... asked him if he knew what that was... he said 'old people'. Was not worth explaining it to him...most cannot understand anyway. For the record, I am not a 'boomer'... I am pre-boomer ...Yep...Cheers, RickO
Around town the boys call me "POPS" ....And.... "HEY, OLD MAN!". Doesn't bother me a bit. Terms of endearment ........Besides.....they all know I could kick their as* six ways from Sunday if I felt like it...........As for the girls in town.......they just wish I was 30 years younger. ........Or they were 30 years older.
Baby Boomers were born between 1946 and 1964 (post WWII). Baby Boomers are preceded by the Silent Generation and are followed by Generation X.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
@lkeigwin said:
They do. Either the students are asleep or the teachers don't connect. Who should be blamed?
Lance.
I went to a top 50 public high school in the US and I was never taught me about Eisenhower. Was in highschool from 2002-2006. Learned most of what I know about Eisenhower from youtube videos on WWII and his farewell speech warning about the military industrial complex. If you want to see how the Dept. of Education is forcing kids to fail, simply take a look at the math kids are being taught today (common core).
While the worker was pretty dumb in OP's story, what do you expect from a business that pays minimum wage???
@lkeigwin said:
They do. Either the students are asleep or the teachers don't connect. Who should be blamed?
Lance.
I went to a top 50 public high school in the US and I was never taught me about Eisenhower. Was in highschool from 2002-2006.
I'm not sure what a top-50 public high school is but kudos to you for the great scholastic learning.
Was WWII and Eisenhower not part of the curriculum? Was the Normandy invasion and the Western Front never taught? Operation Torch? The Civil Rights Act of 1957? McCarthyism? The Interstate Highway System?
If nothing else high school students should at least be vaguely familiar with U.S. presidents, especially at top high schools.
I don't fault young adults for not knowing more about older coinage. But c'mon...who's Eisenhower?
Lance.
In a previous life, I would also give $12.43 and either "help" them thru the calculations to get $5 back, or I'd get a cashier who could still figure things out for themselves & give me correct change.
Nowadays, even with scanners & register keys with pictures of food on them, etc, many youngsters are completely clueless as to math, composing a simple sentence, or customer service. If it's not done for them via an app, etc, or if they're not constantly talking with co-workers or looking at their cellphones instead of making eye contact with me, it's not my average experience with the younger generation of service industry workers.
But I transgress............ The actual point of my response is to say I USED to make payment in such a manner. These days, the rare times I'm not using plastic, I just give them a $10 and make sure they give me back correct change. That way, I figure, if they are that unaware of coins, they just might give me back something interesting or of value, rather than just a $5 currency note...............
Every once in awhile I will see a member of the "Greatest Generation" - WWII vet - with all the BS going on with the virus, it is a good thing we still have a few of the Greatest around to remind us of what we can do if we really roll up our sleeves and stand tall in this time of crisis.
Tir nam beann, nan gleann, s'nan gaisgeach ~ Saorstat Albanaich a nis!
@PerryHall said:
Baby Boomers were born between 1946 and 1964 (post WWII). Baby Boomers are preceded by the Silent Generation and are followed by Generation X.
@RIcko has over 72,000 posts ... he's definitely not part of the Silent Generation ...
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@BryceM said:
When the burger and coke comes to $7.43 I sometimes give the poor kid $12.43. “Sir (love being called sir - NOT!!!) you gave me too much.”
I usually just tell them to punch it in. Eventually they hand me a $5, looking at me like I’ve worked some sort of voodoo witchcraft magic.
I'd give them $8.18, because I like looking through my change for ATB quarters. Blue-screens them every time.
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Sounds like it might be an opportunity for PCGS, or someone, to create an app along with a web page for retail workers covering the issue.
Something along the lines of "Is this US money?" covering these types of items that are most likely to show up including older paper money.
It could be both a very simple quick reference and also include clickable, more in depth info and history for each, (which might just be the landing page on PCGS CoinFacts for that series - would need similar for paper also).
Promote it to retail operations or at least the people knowingly spending such money could point it out to the cashiers, managers etc. Also to the police which have been called on such customers due to suspicion of passing counterfeits (stories of such have been discussed on the boards here before).
Done right it could become the go to for retailers and possibly help the hobby. Maybe such things exist already, I did not go looking for one.
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"To Be Esteemed Be Useful" - 1792 Birch Cent --- "I personally think we developed language because of our deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
@BryceM said:
When the burger and coke comes to $7.43 I sometimes give the poor kid $12.43. “Sir (love being called sir - NOT!!!) you gave me too much.”
I usually just tell them to punch it in. Eventually they hand me a $5, looking at me like I’ve worked some sort of voodoo witchcraft magic.
Even "punching it in" isn't foolproof.
A few months ago, one of the stores that I deal with for work had a cashier come up short $300 for her shift. Paperwork was checked and double checked, but nothing was out of order. The manager searched the electronic journal on the cash register for the amount $300 to see if it turned up anything, and sure enough there was a transaction for one beef jerky for $2.79, with an amount tendered for $300.00.
The manager watched the video for the timestamp on the journal, and sure enough, the customer came to the counter and handed the cashier the jerky to scan, and three one dollar bills. The cashier, instead of entering $3.00 tendered, entered $300.00. The display showed change due $297.21. You could see the cashier didn’t flinch or think twice as she started counting out $297.21 for the change. The customer had a shocked look on his face, and looked like he almost said something, and hesitated before putting the money in his pocket, taking off shaking his head with a smile on his face.
@BryceM said:
When the burger and coke comes to $7.43 I sometimes give the poor kid $12.43. “Sir (love being called sir - NOT!!!) you gave me too much.”
I usually just tell them to punch it in. Eventually they hand me a $5, looking at me like I’ve worked some sort of voodoo witchcraft magic.
Even "punching it in" isn't foolproof.
A few months ago, one of the stores that I deal with for work had a cashier come up short $300 for her shift. Paperwork was checked and double checked, but nothing was out of order. The manager searched the electronic journal on the cash register for the amount $300 to see if it turned up anything, and sure enough there was a transaction for one beef jerky for $2.79, with an amount tendered for $300.00.
The manager watched the video for the timestamp on the journal, and sure enough, the customer came to the counter and handed the cashier the jerky to scan, and three one dollar bills. The cashier, instead of entering $3.00 tendered, entered $300.00. The display showed change due $297.21. You could see the cashier didn’t flinch or think twice as she started counting out $297.21 for the change. The customer had a shocked look on his face, and looked like he almost said something, and hesitated before putting the money in his pocket, taking off shaking his head with a smile on his face.
Hydrant,
'After us, the flood' (After we're gone, the next generation is doomed.)
This is a famous, and pithy utterance by Mme. de Pompadour, the mistress of King Louis XV of France (in the 18th century). This was an expression of callous, aristocratic indifference at the time, and reflects why the French peasants revolted at the end of the 18th century. Its usage today is more as an expression of resignation regarding the fate of succeeding generations.
Member: EAC, NBS, C4, CWTS, ANA
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
@BryceM said:
When the burger and coke comes to $7.43 I sometimes give the poor kid $12.43. “Sir (love being called sir - NOT!!!) you gave me too much.”
I usually just tell them to punch it in. Eventually they hand me a $5, looking at me like I’ve worked some sort of voodoo witchcraft magic.
Even "punching it in" isn't foolproof.
A few months ago, one of the stores that I deal with for work had a cashier come up short $300 for her shift. Paperwork was checked and double checked, but nothing was out of order. The manager searched the electronic journal on the cash register for the amount $300 to see if it turned up anything, and sure enough there was a transaction for one beef jerky for $2.79, with an amount tendered for $300.00.
The manager watched the video for the timestamp on the journal, and sure enough, the customer came to the counter and handed the cashier the jerky to scan, and three one dollar bills. The cashier, instead of entering $3.00 tendered, entered $300.00. The display showed change due $297.21. You could see the cashier didn’t flinch or think twice as she started counting out $297.21 for the change. The customer had a shocked look on his face, and looked like he almost said something, and hesitated before putting the money in his pocket, taking off shaking his head with a smile on his face.
Karma...please, let there be karma.
Lance.
Agree. What a loser.
I guess there are Frank Gallighers everywhere.
@BryceM said:
When the burger and coke comes to $7.43 I sometimes give the poor kid $12.43. “Sir (love being called sir - NOT!!!) you gave me too much.”
I usually just tell them to punch it in. Eventually they hand me a $5, looking at me like I’ve worked some sort of voodoo witchcraft magic.
Even "punching it in" isn't foolproof.
A few months ago, one of the stores that I deal with for work had a cashier come up short $300 for her shift. Paperwork was checked and double checked, but nothing was out of order. The manager searched the electronic journal on the cash register for the amount $300 to see if it turned up anything, and sure enough there was a transaction for one beef jerky for $2.79, with an amount tendered for $300.00.
The manager watched the video for the timestamp on the journal, and sure enough, the customer came to the counter and handed the cashier the jerky to scan, and three one dollar bills. The cashier, instead of entering $3.00 tendered, entered $300.00. The display showed change due $297.21. You could see the cashier didn’t flinch or think twice as she started counting out $297.21 for the change. The customer had a shocked look on his face, and looked like he almost said something, and hesitated before putting the money in his pocket, taking off shaking his head with a smile on his face.
Karma...please, let there be karma.
Lance.
Agree. What a loser.
I guess there are Frank Gallighers everywhere.
They could have been working together. People do crazy things.
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@Sonorandesertrat said:
Hydrant,
'After us, the flood' (After we're gone, the next generation is doomed.)
This is a famous, and pithy utterance by Mme. de Pompadour, the mistress of King Louis XV of France (in the 18th century). This was an expression of callous, aristocratic indifference at the time, and reflects why the French peasants revolted at the end of the 18th century. Its usage today is more as an expression of resignation regarding the fate of succeeding generations.
Hey,Sonoran. I take it you like 18th. Century French Revolutionary history. I have a 2 or 3 volume set written by Napoleon's personal secretary. Bourienne, I think his name was. Best read ever! Anyway, PM
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In most cases, I would be surprised if the bank employees knew what they were.
Banks have rolls and rolls of Sacs, SBAs and Presidential dollars....Half of the people don't know what they are and the other half don't want them.
Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍
My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
Bear in mind, these are the people who will be caring for us in our dotage!
The moral of the story, the subsequent posts and other efforts to understand the impossible should lead one to conclude there is significant value in a History degree. Post Graduate work will be reserved for the next train wreck
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
Send one over.......
CaptHenway,
Either you enjoy playing with fire, or you have miscounted. At this level of intellect, you will need two care givers to screw in a light bulb or boil an egg, and three to four for more complex household tasks.
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
It sounds as if you can just give them any shiny object as payment.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
Don’t they wonder why the drawer is always short?
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
And frumpy dumpy old geezer has beens wonder why people below 40 don't collect coins, yes, coins, those shiny round things that can buy, well, what can you buy of any importance with a single coin?
Coins: What old people fumble around with out of purses and pockets to tie up the line checking out at the store.
Come to the forum, get a ration of grief slamming the intelligence, morals, and ethics of an entire generation or two. .
Heather, I hope I am OK trying to offset the 12+ negative generational based comments posted.
I had one youngster call me a 'boomer'... asked him if he knew what that was... he said 'old people'.
Was not worth explaining it to him...most cannot understand anyway. For the record, I am not a 'boomer'... I am pre-boomer ...Yep...Cheers, RickO
Okay, pre-Boomer
No ration of grief, slamming of intelligence or anything other than just a gentle redirection suggesting that a History Degee has value.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
The cashiers around here have become so much more efficient the last couple of weeks. They get 10 customers moving down the line now, faster than it would have taken them to get two or three customers a just month ago. And people are buying more items now. I don't get it.
It hasn't happened yet, but if someone says, "Okay boomer" to me, they will see why I carry pepper spray.
Around town the boys call me "POPS" ....And.... "HEY, OLD MAN!". Doesn't bother me a bit. Terms of endearment ........Besides.....they all know I could kick their as* six ways from Sunday if I felt like it...........As for the girls in town.......they just wish I was 30 years younger. ........Or they were 30 years older.
Baby Boomers were born between 1946 and 1964 (post WWII). Baby Boomers are preceded by the Silent Generation and are followed by Generation X.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I went to a top 50 public high school in the US and I was never taught me about Eisenhower. Was in highschool from 2002-2006. Learned most of what I know about Eisenhower from youtube videos on WWII and his farewell speech warning about the military industrial complex. If you want to see how the Dept. of Education is forcing kids to fail, simply take a look at the math kids are being taught today (common core).
While the worker was pretty dumb in OP's story, what do you expect from a business that pays minimum wage???
I'm not sure what a top-50 public high school is but kudos to you for the great scholastic learning.
Was WWII and Eisenhower not part of the curriculum? Was the Normandy invasion and the Western Front never taught? Operation Torch? The Civil Rights Act of 1957? McCarthyism? The Interstate Highway System?
If nothing else high school students should at least be vaguely familiar with U.S. presidents, especially at top high schools.
I don't fault young adults for not knowing more about older coinage. But c'mon...who's Eisenhower?
Lance.
In a previous life, I would also give $12.43 and either "help" them thru the calculations to get $5 back, or I'd get a cashier who could still figure things out for themselves & give me correct change.
Nowadays, even with scanners & register keys with pictures of food on them, etc, many youngsters are completely clueless as to math, composing a simple sentence, or customer service. If it's not done for them via an app, etc, or if they're not constantly talking with co-workers or looking at their cellphones instead of making eye contact with me, it's not my average experience with the younger generation of service industry workers.
But I transgress............ The actual point of my response is to say I USED to make payment in such a manner. These days, the rare times I'm not using plastic, I just give them a $10 and make sure they give me back correct change. That way, I figure, if they are that unaware of coins, they just might give me back something interesting or of value, rather than just a $5 currency note...............
Every once in awhile I will see a member of the "Greatest Generation" - WWII vet - with all the BS going on with the virus, it is a good thing we still have a few of the Greatest around to remind us of what we can do if we really roll up our sleeves and stand tall in this time of crisis.
@RIcko has over 72,000 posts ... he's definitely not part of the Silent Generation ...
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Seriously? You went to a to 50 public high school and you wrote that sentence?
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Après nous, le déluge
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
I'd give them $8.18, because I like looking through my change for ATB quarters. Blue-screens them every time.
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
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Sounds like it might be an opportunity for PCGS, or someone, to create an app along with a web page for retail workers covering the issue.
Something along the lines of "Is this US money?" covering these types of items that are most likely to show up including older paper money.
It could be both a very simple quick reference and also include clickable, more in depth info and history for each, (which might just be the landing page on PCGS CoinFacts for that series - would need similar for paper also).
Promote it to retail operations or at least the people knowingly spending such money could point it out to the cashiers, managers etc. Also to the police which have been called on such customers due to suspicion of passing counterfeits (stories of such have been discussed on the boards here before).
Done right it could become the go to for retailers and possibly help the hobby. Maybe such things exist already, I did not go looking for one.
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"To Be Esteemed Be Useful" - 1792 Birch Cent --- "I personally think we developed language because of our deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
Gotta figure out how to edit this. Stand by.
Even "punching it in" isn't foolproof.
A few months ago, one of the stores that I deal with for work had a cashier come up short $300 for her shift. Paperwork was checked and double checked, but nothing was out of order. The manager searched the electronic journal on the cash register for the amount $300 to see if it turned up anything, and sure enough there was a transaction for one beef jerky for $2.79, with an amount tendered for $300.00.
The manager watched the video for the timestamp on the journal, and sure enough, the customer came to the counter and handed the cashier the jerky to scan, and three one dollar bills. The cashier, instead of entering $3.00 tendered, entered $300.00. The display showed change due $297.21. You could see the cashier didn’t flinch or think twice as she started counting out $297.21 for the change. The customer had a shocked look on his face, and looked like he almost said something, and hesitated before putting the money in his pocket, taking off shaking his head with a smile on his face.
AFTER THE FLOOD. OR.....AFTER WE FLOOD IT.
Sonoran......Did I get it? My Grandma was French-Canadian. Great Granddaughter of a cour des bois.
Karma...please, let there be karma.
Lance.
Hydrant,
'After us, the flood' (After we're gone, the next generation is doomed.)
This is a famous, and pithy utterance by Mme. de Pompadour, the mistress of King Louis XV of France (in the 18th century). This was an expression of callous, aristocratic indifference at the time, and reflects why the French peasants revolted at the end of the 18th century. Its usage today is more as an expression of resignation regarding the fate of succeeding generations.
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
Agree. What a loser.
I guess there are Frank Gallighers everywhere.
Sheesh. Don't you guys have children/grandchildren?
Smitten with DBLCs.
They could have been working together. People do crazy things.
"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
Guess I didn't do so good. CARRY ON!
Hey,Sonoran. I take it you like 18th. Century French Revolutionary history. I have a 2 or 3 volume set written by Napoleon's personal secretary. Bourienne, I think his name was. Best read ever! Anyway, PM
You should've handed her a couple of two dollar bills and an SBA and really blown her mind.