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Discussion about the 1814 50c counterstamped with P's mystery specimen.

RealoneRealone Posts: 18,519 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited March 3, 2020 7:42AM in U.S. Coin Forum

See below for the fascinating discussion.
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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2022 10:27PM

    I've never heard or seen a US Mint pattern with a merchant counterstamp but I have run into the following:

    1814 Platinum Half Dollar with Counterstamped Reverse "P"

    This is a US Mint issue in platinum.

    2001 Bessie Coleman Private Pattern Counterstamped with Daniel Carr Moonlight Mint Die

    This one is a Daniel Carr prototype dollar featuring Bessie Coleman counterstamped with his 2013 Moonlight Mint die.

    While not a US Mint issue, even finding a Carr counterstamped prototype dollar is rare.

  • kiyotekiyote Posts: 5,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If I had to guess I’d say there has to be some large cent patterns out there that fit the bill.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,781 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Merchant c/s, no. Don’t recall any Mint c/s other than the platinum half.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When I was working at Numismatics, Ltd. in Beverly Hills,
    and we bought that large Pattern deal, the 1814 was in
    the deal.

    I actually sat down one day and counted them.

    Please don't ask me how they were punched into the
    surfaces - I wasn't there at the time (nor in the 1890's)
    but I do know they were punched into the coin after the
    coin was struck, not before, during, or on the planchet.

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,781 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have always wondered why that "P" punch is missing its bottom serifs?

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • RKKayRKKay Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭

    Never heard of one, but, obviously, I think that one is pretty cool.

  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:
    I've never heard or seen a US Mint pattern with a merchant counterstamp but I have run into the following:

    1814 Platinum Half Dollar with Counterstamped Reverse "P"

    This is a US Mint issue in platinum.

    One of my most memorable hobby experiences was examining this coin in-hand some years ago at an auction lot viewing.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • OldhoopsterOldhoopster Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    I have always wondered why that "P" punch is missing its bottom serifs?

    Was it ever determined if that specific P punch was ever used on other US Coins, Tokens or counterstamps?

    Member of the ANA since 1982

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