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Discussion about the 1814 50c counterstamped with P's mystery specimen.

RealoneRealone Posts: 18,519 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited March 3, 2020 7:42AM in U.S. Coin Forum

See below for the fascinating discussion.
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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,406 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2022 10:27PM

    I've never heard or seen a US Mint pattern with a merchant counterstamp but I have run into the following:

    1814 Platinum Half Dollar with Counterstamped Reverse "P"

    This is a US Mint issue in platinum.

    2001 Bessie Coleman Private Pattern Counterstamped with Daniel Carr Moonlight Mint Die

    This one is a Daniel Carr prototype dollar featuring Bessie Coleman counterstamped with his 2013 Moonlight Mint die.

    While not a US Mint issue, even finding a Carr counterstamped prototype dollar is rare.

  • kiyotekiyote Posts: 5,611 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If I had to guess I’d say there has to be some large cent patterns out there that fit the bill.

    "I'll split the atom! I am the fifth dimension! I am the eighth wonder of the world!" -Gef the talking mongoose.
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,668 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Merchant c/s, no. Don’t recall any Mint c/s other than the platinum half.

    Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Also won the PNG's Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 6,007 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When I was working at Numismatics, Ltd. in Beverly Hills,
    and we bought that large Pattern deal, the 1814 was in
    the deal.

    I actually sat down one day and counted them.

    Please don't ask me how they were punched into the
    surfaces - I wasn't there at the time (nor in the 1890's)
    but I do know they were punched into the coin after the
    coin was struck, not before, during, or on the planchet.

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,668 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have always wondered why that "P" punch is missing its bottom serifs?

    Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Also won the PNG's Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
  • RKKayRKKay Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭

    Never heard of one, but, obviously, I think that one is pretty cool.

  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:
    I've never heard or seen a US Mint pattern with a merchant counterstamp but I have run into the following:

    1814 Platinum Half Dollar with Counterstamped Reverse "P"

    This is a US Mint issue in platinum.

    One of my most memorable hobby experiences was examining this coin in-hand some years ago at an auction lot viewing.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • OldhoopsterOldhoopster Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    I have always wondered why that "P" punch is missing its bottom serifs?

    Was it ever determined if that specific P punch was ever used on other US Coins, Tokens or counterstamps?

    Member of the ANA since 1982

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