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Countermark guys, thoughts, ideas, value?

WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭

On the Rich Hartzog site ("OH in Small Serrated Rectangle") but I can't find much other info.

Keep? Sell for a million $$? Spend?

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    fastfreddiefastfreddie Posts: 2,956 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 27, 2020 3:41PM

    Don't spend...lol Decent looking quarter. Guess it's good that it's not a small date with a counterstamp.

    Good 7070 candidate for someone.

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,883 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I know nothing about it, but from the style I would guess it is pre-Civil War.
    Nice.

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,970 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sell for a million.

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    NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it!

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    BustDMsBustDMs Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think you should donate it to someone from Ohio. Hint........😉

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    yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 5,290 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 27, 2020 5:58PM

    It might be a hallmark for the silversmith Henry Oakes.
    He was active in Hartford, CT from 1830-42.
    And he was preceded by Frederick Oakes Sr., who used a serrated outline in his hallmarks.
    It's not shown as a known hallmark on the Initials page, though.
    https://www.925-1000.com/americansilver_O.html

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    jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,095 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I collect just that sort of thing! Happy to take it off your hands for its current value..😊

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,184 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Almost certainly a silversmith's hallmark.

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    JBKJBK Posts: 17,468 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @hvellente said:

    PS: countermarked coins rarely carry any premium above the coin's numismatic value.

    :o

    Sorry but I can't agree at all.

    Except for coins that would have had a lot of numismatic premium without the counterstamp, many or even most coins with a recognized counterstamp have a significant premium relative to their unstamped value.

    For example, a common bust half with a Houcks Panacea counterstamp is worth several hundred dollars or more. And a common Indian head cent with a G G Wilkins counterstamp will go for $30 or $40. Etc., etc.

    :

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    privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Love it. Love coins with a story to dream about. I'd certainly keep it.

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    JBKJBK Posts: 17,468 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @hvellente said:
    @JBK -

    But it is a specific interest and some (many?) collectors don't like them, ergo, premium is hit or miss depending on the stamp and the collector. To each his own.

    Now that is something I can
    easily agree with. :D

    There may even have been a time when I felt they were just damaged coins, but there is often so much history wrapped up in them that I gave in.

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,410 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice and a keeper. I have a binder for pieces just like that! Peace Roy

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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would have purchased it for my collection of counterstamps.
    Nice one

    Frank

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,184 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The value of counterstamps is in the eye of the beholder. Some are interesting but many are not.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Counterstamps are interesting, and often impart history to a coin...There certainly is interest among the collecting community, substantiated by the fact that there is a catalog and other reference sites. I would keep any I came across and might purchase interesting ones. I have a couple already... Cheers, RickO

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 4,098 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 28, 2020 8:42AM
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    EXOJUNKIEEXOJUNKIE Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crypto said:
    Is it OH or HO?

    No way to know for sure unless you can positively attribute it. Based on the style of the letters though, if I had to bet, I'd say it is "HO" rather than "OH."

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    JBKJBK Posts: 17,468 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In my experience on eBay, vintage marks like this (probably an early metal smith), even when unattributed, go for a little money. No way to know for sure but I can see it going on a decent day for between $20 and $40 as is.

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    WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crypto said:
    Is it OH or HO?

    As I said above, Rich Harzog's site says it's an "OH in small serrated rectangle":

    http://richhartzog.com/art/cmb.htm

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 4,098 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Weiss said:

    @Crypto said:
    Is it OH or HO?

    As I said above, Rich Harzog's site says it's an "OH in small serrated rectangle":

    http://richhartzog.com/art/cmb.htm

    Makes sense, not many HOs in numismatics

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    ms70ms70 Posts: 13,958 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You need two more and then place them all in a frame horizontally next to each other.

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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,036 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crypto said:

    @Weiss said:

    @Crypto said:

    Makes sense, not many HOs in numismatics

    But, there used to be a lot of HO's working for coins, back in the day.....today a bit more pricey. I wonder how far back you need to go to find a HO working for coin. In the 60's, when I was young, a straight date at Moonlight Ranch was $5....in silver dollars.

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    tokenprotokenpro Posts: 930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Weiss said:

    @Crypto said:
    Is it OH or HO?

    As I said above, Rich Harzog's site says it's an "OH in small serrated rectangle":

    http://richhartzog.com/art/cmb.htm

    That's a tentative OH at best as the Hartzog listing is a mostly an index listing of Brunk. A further exploration of the Brunk catalog listing notes that the only examples reported have been on U.S. and British copper. Since those c/s are not illustrated in Brunk any thought that this c/s is the same as the listed pieces (and thus be a Brunk interpreted OH) would be speculative.

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