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Next wave of fake Morgans....on ebay
AUandAG
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Clearly not US Mint made, but might just fool some. Ugh 
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AUandAG
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Please help us understand why these are clearly fakes. Thanks
If someone does that, the fakers may come across the information and use it to improve their next batch.
Biggest and easiest problem to see is that the reverse was not used until 1921.
bob
they sure do stand out as fakes. thanks for the heads up
Unfortunately, they are good enough to fool many collectors who don't frequent forums such as this where fakes are discussed and illustrated.
They were listed on ebay along with 7 other fakes from the same source. I sent the seller a scathing message warning that the Feds just may come a knock'n. Provided proof they were fakes and told him to end the auction immediately. He did.
Also told him to get the cops involved if he needed help in getting his money back.....of course I'm assuming (risky, 'eh?) he got screwed in buying them.
bob
Did he? 😉
There is significant information online on how to identify counterfeit Morgan Dollars.
The majority are a combination of dates and mint marks that were never produced. They also weigh about half as much as a real Morgan. They were actually produced under the guise as party or gag gifts. From what I read in years past, and found online, one could order these from overseas companies. Because of the different fonts, weight, alternate metals, other design differences - along with date/mint-mark combinations that were never produced - they were not considered counterfeit and legally imported.
The vast majority of these fakes are easy to identify because they were designed that way. Thus the lack of any requirement to have the word "copy" on them.
Actual counterfeit Morgan Dollars will have correct date and mint mark combinations. The obverse and reverse will be correct, the fonts will be correct, the majority of the design will be correct. They may have correct weight. They may actually be cast in silver alloy if a key date is involved.
I decided years ago that if I were to buy any unslabbed Morgans, they would only be purchased through my LCS whom knows the difference.
Thanks for the warning.... and getting them removed. We have many new collectors here - as well as super experienced members.... Pictures and descriptions of issues with copies/counterfeits is very educational for the inexperienced.....Cheers, RickO
One more just for fun.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1893-CC-Morgan-Silver-Dollar-VF-XF/114126661597?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
The bid is at $250+!
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i agree with you 100% they are not authentic coins but imo, that reverse is 1878 but still not used with the years on those items. i know you know, just posting for others. good catch as those images do make them look a little better than usual.
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Another big clue on a lot of these fakes, including those in the OP, is that they never seem to have any bag marks. Pristine surfaces that would score a 69 or, gulp, a 70??? Come on, how many real MS69 Morgans are out there???
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
More every day?
I wonder how many high grade coins don't have a provenance.
Thanks for your diligence.
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The 93-CC is an obvious fake.
1893 CC still active with 8 hours to go. Current bid $255
40 bids from 13 users!
Still active with 4 hours to go.
reported again.
bob
Selling many fakes on Facebook too. Crazy thing is so many people like the "Products" and write favorable comments. I think the BU's are harder to detect. Big tip off is when these shyster's start selling bulk at under melt.
Too good to be true and only o fool would think otherwise. What gets me are the videos of someone rotating a fake with gloves on. No hits and $18 for 10 c of metal. Stupid!
Price list:
$129.80
Year
1881 S
Quality
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