My latest pickup and my first guess the grade...Grade revealed in first post.

divecchia · February 17, 2020 9:26AM

and since we are always talking about CAC, does it have a CAC sticker? My photography skills are severely lacking and the scans show no luster which it has. I also included a Trueview to give more data to look at.

Let me know your thoughts and opinions, good or bad.

I will post the grade later this evening.

Thanks, Donato

Graded MS61 CAC

amwldcoin · February 17, 2020 9:29AM

58 CAC 62 No CAC

Hallco · February 17, 2020 9:47AM

Very nice pickup Donato. Since I don't know how to grade gold, I'll agree with whatever @Smudge thinks!

DNADave · February 17, 2020 9:55AM

I like it. 55

cheezhed · February 17, 2020 9:58AM

60 gold cac

asheland · February 17, 2020 10:24AM

61 I LOVE it!

marcmoish · February 17, 2020 10:29AM

62 no CAC, and a like from for sure!

ironmanl63 · February 17, 2020 10:34AM

I would guess 58 CAC approved

yspsales · February 17, 2020 10:48AM

I don't know squat about gold.

The fields are throwing me a curve.

My first thought was AU 58... but I am going with MS64 based on the Tru View

TurtleCat · February 17, 2020 11:16AM

Looks nice to me, AU-50 to me. If it was silver, I’d go XF-45.

Tom147 · February 17, 2020 11:19AM

ms62 cac

Rollerman · February 17, 2020 11:26AM

I thought "solid AU58" when I first looked at it, but then remembered my tendency to undergrade gold, so I'll now guess MS61.

jedm · February 17, 2020 12:13PM

58 with the CAC green bean

Smudge · February 17, 2020 1:49PM

58 CAC. As well> @Hallco said:

Very nice pickup Donato. Since I don't know how to grade gold, I'll agree with whatever @Smudge thinks!

You sure that is wise?

lkeigwin · February 17, 2020 1:57PM

61-62.

Nice choice!
Lance.

SurfinxHI · February 17, 2020 2:12PM

62 cac

CommemDude · February 17, 2020 2:13PM

58+ and a really lovely "keeper" coin

fivecents · February 17, 2020 2:15PM

55
63 CAC

CoinJunkie · February 17, 2020 3:33PM

I know the answer, and will only say it's super nice for the grade! Should bean.

MFeld · February 17, 2020 4:11PM

I love the look of the coin. However, without knowing the grade, guessing whether it has a CAC sticker seems very odd to me. And you’re not the first poster to offer such an exercise. Someone could guess multiple grades, each one low enough to merit a sticker, if submitted to CAC. But that would be largely meaningless.

Edited to add : My grade guess is MS63. And shame on any grade guesses below 58 even if it turns out that the coin was graded that low.

ffcoins · February 17, 2020 4:17PM

63 no CAC

TurtleCat · February 17, 2020 4:19PM

@MFeld said:
Edited to add : My grade guess is MS63 and shame on any grade guesses below 58.

I wanted to say that it is a guess I made. I don’t have a lot of experience with this coin type and I made my guess based upon the luster cartwheel. Every coin I’ve ever seen with that cartwheel was never graded above 50. I don’t have the opportunity to view the many hundreds of thousands of coins needed to be more accurate. Mine was a sincere attempt even if no one chooses to accept that.

ThreeCentSilverFL · February 17, 2020 4:22PM

great looking classic head! I guess 62

divecchia · February 17, 2020 4:22PM

@MFeld said:
I love the look of the coin. However, without knowing the grade, guessing whether it has a CAC sticker seems very odd to me. And you’re not the first poster to offer such an exercise. Someone could guess multiple grades, each one low enough to merit a sticker, if submitted to CAC. But that would be largely meaningless.

Edited to add : My grade guess is MS63 and shame on any grade guesses below 58.

@MFeld Mark, you are correct as far as guessing CAC or no CAC. I thought about it after posting it. I would have been better off just doing a guess the grade and then after revealing the correct grade a more educated guess could of been made on the coin having a CAC sticker or not.

Thanks for your input and all the other comments. Donato

Jimnight · February 17, 2020 4:23PM

Very nice coin! 64.

CoinJunkie · February 17, 2020 4:26PM

@TurtleCat said:

@MFeld said:
Edited to add : My grade guess is MS63 and shame on any grade guesses below 58.

I wanted to say that it is a guess I made. I don’t have a lot of experience with this coin type and I made my guess based upon the luster cartwheel. Every coin I’ve ever seen with that cartwheel was never graded above 50. I don’t have the opportunity to view the many hundreds of thousands of coins needed to be more accurate. Mine was a sincere attempt even if no one chooses to accept that.

Well sure, luster plays a big part in the grade (particularly with UNCs), but a 50 grade would be based on obvious wear, and this coin doesn't show that. Furthermore, the cartwheel effect can't really be observed from still photos.

TurtleCat · February 17, 2020 4:38PM

@CoinJunkie said:

@TurtleCat said:

@MFeld said:
Edited to add : My grade guess is MS63 and shame on any grade guesses below 58.

I wanted to say that it is a guess I made. I don’t have a lot of experience with this coin type and I made my guess based upon the luster cartwheel. Every coin I’ve ever seen with that cartwheel was never graded above 50. I don’t have the opportunity to view the many hundreds of thousands of coins needed to be more accurate. Mine was a sincere attempt even if no one chooses to accept that.

Well sure, luster plays a big part in the grade (particularly with UNCs), but a 50 grade would be based on obvious wear, and this coin doesn't show that. Furthermore, the cartwheel effect can't really be observed from still photos.

And hence it was a guess from a picture. I have several coins where the TrueView isn’t exactly a perfect representation of the coin. Sorry if my guess is insulting to people. Hard to believe it would be and it’s weird I feel I have to defend myself. Chalk it up to me being imperfect.

CoinJunkie · February 17, 2020 4:50PM

@TurtleCat said:

@CoinJunkie said:

@TurtleCat said:

@MFeld said:
Edited to add : My grade guess is MS63 and shame on any grade guesses below 58.

I wanted to say that it is a guess I made. I don’t have a lot of experience with this coin type and I made my guess based upon the luster cartwheel. Every coin I’ve ever seen with that cartwheel was never graded above 50. I don’t have the opportunity to view the many hundreds of thousands of coins needed to be more accurate. Mine was a sincere attempt even if no one chooses to accept that.

Well sure, luster plays a big part in the grade (particularly with UNCs), but a 50 grade would be based on obvious wear, and this coin doesn't show that. Furthermore, the cartwheel effect can't really be observed from still photos.

And hence it was a guess from a picture. I have several coins where the TrueView isn’t exactly a perfect representation of the coin. Sorry if my guess is insulting to people. Hard to believe it would be and it’s weird I feel I have to defend myself. Chalk it up to me being imperfect.

I wouldn't say your guess was "insulting". You stated that you didn't have much experience grading this type, and as such, you should probably be open to educating yourself based on other (more experienced) posters' grade guesses and comments. I retracted my LOL from your initial post, as I hadn't realized you'd take it personally.

EDIT: While luster is hard to gauge from photos, wear is generally easier. Look through CoinFacts images (or Photograde) for this type to get a sense of which areas of the coin would typically show initial wear.

sellitstore · February 17, 2020 4:54PM

In Europe, it's an XF.

Good thing that we're not in Europe.

I think that it's a 58 which means that it will probably holder in the 62-63 area.

privatecoin · February 17, 2020 5:05PM

62 cac

MFeld · February 17, 2020 5:18PM

@TurtleCat said:

@MFeld said:
Edited to add : My grade guess is MS63 and shame on any grade guesses below 58.

I wanted to say that it is a guess I made. I don’t have a lot of experience with this coin type and I made my guess based upon the luster cartwheel. Every coin I’ve ever seen with that cartwheel was never graded above 50. I don’t have the opportunity to view the many hundreds of thousands of coins needed to be more accurate. Mine was a sincere attempt even if no one chooses to accept that.

@TurtleCat said:

@MFeld said:
Edited to add : My grade guess is MS63 and shame on any grade guesses below 58.

I wanted to say that it is a guess I made. I don’t have a lot of experience with this coin type and I made my guess based upon the luster cartwheel. Every coin I’ve ever seen with that cartwheel was never graded above 50. I don’t have the opportunity to view the many hundreds of thousands of coins needed to be more accurate. Mine was a sincere attempt even if no one chooses to accept that.

We’re all guessing. I apologize if I sounded harsh, in trying to provide some insight into how a I thought the coin should grade (and into how it shouldn’t grade). I’m mistaken plenty of times. And you weren’t the only one who guessed below 58.

Cartwheel luster is far more likely to be evident on mint state coins, not coins graded 50 and lower. So I don’t understand your comment about that.

cameonut2011 · February 17, 2020 5:22PM

61-62

The surfaces look unmolested, but i can't guess the CAC without knowing the grade. Unless graded super optimistically, it would have a good shot.

TurtleCat · February 17, 2020 5:35PM

@MFeld said:

Cartwheel luster is far more likely to be evident on mint state coins, not coins graded 50 and lower. So I don’t understand your comment about that.

In the first pictures the cartwheel only appears to be around the outside edges. TrueView pictures tend to obscure cartwheel luster because the prioritize lower contrast images to show more color. If I was looking at the coin in front of me, I would likely judge differently. And I guess sometimes words just hit us certain ways on certain days.

Hence why I would likely not buy much of the TPGs weren’t in existence.

Dave99B · February 17, 2020 6:03PM

Very nice example. MS62.

Dave

Cougar1978 · February 17, 2020 6:17PM

AU 58 - Solid quality coin. If u sent it to CAC it should have beaned.

ironmanl63 · February 17, 2020 6:21PM

The assumption is if you believe your guess to be correct. Which I assume you do or why would you have guessed it. Would the coin in the grade you guessed receive a sticker.

divecchia · February 17, 2020 6:24PM

Here is the coin with the grade below. Some nice guesses and some not so much. This is exactly why I don't buy coins on-line and only buy in person at shows. Still photos or scans, especially coming from some rookie like me don't show luster or the cartwheel effect that a coin may have and believe me, I tried. I did not mean for this post to cause hard feelings, my apologies if it did. I appreciate all the guesses and comments.

Thanks, Donato

DollarAfterDollar · February 17, 2020 6:24PM

Don't know diddly about grading gold but seems MS 62 MS 63 to me. I'd think the coin has a green bean only because if I owned it I'd sent it in for review.

Walkerfan · February 17, 2020 6:43PM

Late to the party. Man, that’s at least a 62 and 63 wouldn’t have surprised me.

Jimnight · February 17, 2020 8:38PM

Nice!

ricko · February 18, 2020 6:50AM

Late to the party again.... However, I would have guessed MS62.... Nice gold coin.... Cheers, RickO

My latest pickup and my first guess the grade...Grade revealed in first post.

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