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1962D one penny split sherif on the date? DOUBLE EYE LID, DOUBLE COLUN

Still struggling with doubling, reason I ask for your expertise... Is this a split Sherif on the 9 and 6 of the date. Note also a dbl colon. Double eye lid





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  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 9, 2020 5:41PM

    If you think you have a coin with a DD on both sides then unless it is one of the extremely few known instances of that phenomenon then I don't even need to see pictures to know it is MD.

    Aside from that, is there a known DD on this date/mm? If so, then just match it up to pictures of the known die variety.

    If not, then why look for something that doesn't exist?

  • BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have a special jar for coins like this.

  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That’s got to be a six figure coin, what with split sherifs and all.

  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does look like machine doubling to me also. It takes awhile to get the eye for the real (desirable) type of doubling. Keep watching and learning, and you will start to recognize the difference.

    ----- kj
  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I believe that's called MD (machine doubling).

  • TexastTexast Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭✭

    I agree with machine doubling, also a contributor to this would be excess die wear.

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  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 11, 2020 4:17PM

    A split Sherif with a double colon would be something to see! ;)

    The date, however, shows machine doubling.

    It wasn't until around 1990 that mintmark were impressed into hubs for circulating coins, so a 'doubling' of the mintmark in an earlier (1962) circulation strike would be an indication of a repunched mintmark and not a doubled die.

    Edited to correct a bonehead error ...

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Machine doubling... and I think you meant 'column'... since a colon is our waste disposal organ....Cheers, RickO

  • acadienacadien Posts: 635 ✭✭✭

    From now on, I will follow JBK advice and try to match it up to pictures of the known die variety.
    But is it still possible to find an error that is not listed yet?
    Because I found a die crack on a 1984D starting at the bottom of the ear lobe toward the 9 o'clock, and I haven't found any variety. Should I post this error or am IO wasting everyone's time?

  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,438 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @acadien said:
    From now on, I will follow JBK advice and try to match it up to pictures of the known die variety.
    But is it still possible to find an error that is not listed yet?
    Because I found a die crack on a 1984D starting at the bottom of the ear lobe toward the 9 o'clock, and I haven't found any variety. Should I post this error or am IO wasting everyone's time?

    As far as I know, minor die cracks (even major ones?) aren't really "listed" anywhere. They are what they are. Same goes for all other errors.

    A doubled die is technically a die variety and so the "error" or anomaly is on the die itself and will be repeated hundreds or thousands of times until the issue is caught and the die is taken out of service. There will usually be many other identical examples out there so they in turn get "listed".

    Could a newer collector discover a doubled die that is not yet recognized? In theory, yes. In practice, no. At least not until they become an expert in identifying MD vs DD, etc.

    As I see it, it is best to leave the eyesight-destroying scrutinization to others. Once they find something worth looking for, then the hunt begins.

    Unless, of course, you have a box of new, current year coins. Then, you might be the first one to find a new die variety.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,670 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @astrorat said:
    A split Sherif with a double colon would be something to see! ;)

    The date, however, shows machine doubling.

    It wasn't until around 1990 that dates were impressed into hubs for circulating coins, so a 'doubling' of the date in an earlier circulation strike would be an indication of a repunched date and not a doubled die.

    1955/55?

  • acadienacadien Posts: 635 ✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @astrorat said:
    A split Sherif with a double colon would be something to see! ;)

    The date, however, shows machine doubling.

    It wasn't until around 1990 that dates were impressed into hubs for circulating coins, so a 'doubling' of the date in an earlier circulation strike would be an indication of a repunched date and not a doubled die.

    1955/55?

    Got you, thanks

  • acadienacadien Posts: 635 ✭✭✭

    @JBK said:

    @acadien said:
    From now on, I will follow JBK advice and try to match it up to pictures of the known die variety.
    But is it still possible to find an error that is not listed yet?
    Because I found a die crack on a 1984D starting at the bottom of the ear lobe toward the 9 o'clock, and I haven't found any variety. Should I post this error or am IO wasting everyone's time?

    As far as I know, minor die cracks (even major ones?) aren't really "listed" anywhere. They are what they are. Same goes for all other errors.

    A doubled die is technically a die variety and so the "error" or anomaly is on the die itself and will be repeated hundreds or thousands of times until the issue is caught and the die is taken out of service. There will usually be many other identical examples out there so they in turn get "listed".

    Could a newer collector discover a doubled die that is not yet recognized? In theory, yes. In practice, no. At least not until they become an expert in identifying MD vs DD, etc.

    As I see it, it is best to leave the eyesight-destroying scrutinization to others. Once they find something worth looking for, then the hunt begins.

    Unless, of course, you have a box of new, current year coins. Then, you might be the first one to find a new die variety.

    Great info, noted

  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @astrorat said:
    A split Sherif with a double colon would be something to see! ;)

    The date, however, shows machine doubling.

    It wasn't until around 1990 that dates were impressed into hubs for circulating coins, so a 'doubling' of the date in an earlier circulation strike would be an indication of a repunched date and not a doubled die.

    1955/55?

    OF COURSE! Dang it ... I meant to write "it wasn't until 1990 that mintmarks were impressed in the hubs for circulating coins, so a 'doubling' of the mintmark (on a 1962 coin) would be a repunched mintmark and not a doubled die." I'll correct the original post.

    Thanks for the correction!

    It was before coffee when I wrote the original post!

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  • acadienacadien Posts: 635 ✭✭✭

    Conclusion, previous to 1990 is DD doubling on the date and RPM repunched mintmark

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