Full Steps?
ashump1960
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I am still learning, would this be considered full steps?
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ashump1960
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it depends on the date.
Line going down top middle may be no go
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Looks FS to me. Not really my area, but...
More often than not, the lower portion of the steps are rounded off, and are missing steps.
Your example looks complete.
Any significant hits across the steps disqualifies FS designation.
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Why is that? The definition of full steps seems simple enough to understand. Perhaps you have been around professional coin dealers too long. They're probably the same folks who tell me that it depends on the date of a fully DMPL dollar to determine if it is called a DMPL coin or not.
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Yes PCGS only requires 5 full steps to get the FS designation. NGC has both a 5FS and 6FS designation, this coin wouldn't get a 6FS as the bottom step is not full and separate.
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Call me dumb but Jefferson nickels have been my focal point for 52 years. And....Capped Bust 50 cent pieces. Anyway.....full steps? I can't figure it out. And I don't care. Ask Leo's opinion. He's the expert.
Looks like full steps but also kinda looks like a proof so it would be expected to have steps.
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I have seen a lot worse with the FS designation...…………………….
Good observation, it does look like a proof.
Proofs are expected to have FS so it is not designated on them.
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There is a date where PCGS only requires 5 steps and thereafter it requires 6 steps. I am not sure but it is in the 1980's or 1990's.
I forget,,,,,,, maybe 1996 for 6 Full Steps?
It looks it to me
Looks FS but if the coin is indeed a proof, then FS would be expected, and not noted on the holder.
I count 4 full steps, needs at least 5 for a full step designation.
Photo is a 6 full step Jefferson
not many TPGs give it to a proof or SMS
Looks like FS to me.
Why is that? The definition of full steps seems simple enough to understand. Perhaps you have been around professional coin dealers too long.
I will bite my tongue and avoid assigning the self-righteous name to you that you have so earnestly cultivated, and explain...........................the date matters because PCGS changed how they grade these coins in response to the Mint reworking the Masters prior to 1990. that means that coins dated 1989 and earlier only require 5-Full Steps from PCGS to earn the designation, coins dated 1990 and subsequent require 6-Full Steps.
I will add that at NGC it isn't the date on the coin that matters, it is the date when it was submitted. initially that service required 6-Full Steps but sometime around 2000-2001 they started to assign the 5FS designation and placed that on their inserts.
I'll attempt to answer any other questions you might have about this subject, but please change your insulting tone, it's getting old and wearing thin.
The coin is from a 1961 mint set, not a proof. Does this help or matter?
Thank you all for the comments, I have read books and looked at the web, but you all are by far the best resourse I have and I do appriciate it.
It looks FS to me, and a 1961 mint set Jeff with steps like that is definitely worth submitting.
It looks close to 5 steps...gets a little weak to the right side (as viewed)....Let us know if you submit. Cheers, RickO
I didn't know how PCGS done the full steps, I had forgot. Good info to know.
Those fields look too polished to be a business strike. Can you show us the entire coin? IF that is a business strike, you have a special coin.
This is the best I can do with the camera I have.
It looks like it still is in a holder or has a film over it - that causes reflections, making determination harder. Does the mint set look like this?
Take a picture of the medalion in the set, both prof and mint sets came in flat packs in 1961. From your pictures I also think you have a proof coin which would not qualify for an FS designation
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That is a proof nickel. That is why the steps look so good. Unfortunately, little value there.
Is it normal to have a proof in a mint set?
No, not normal. All of your flat pack coins look proof to me. Anyone else?
This one is in a proof set the other is a mint set
The medallion says "US Mint" not US mint set.
All of these are proof sets.
Correct, on all 3 of my 1961 sets it says Mint Set, two of these sets have full step coins
Your coin is a proof. The foil 'medal' in the package may say US MINT, but that only means it came from the US Mint, and not that it is a Mint Set with circulation strike coins.
The Mint SETS (with circulation strike coins) from that year came is sealed plastic, but the 'medal' is a thicker plastic that will actually read PHILADELPHIA or DENVER, depending on which mint coins are sealed in the plastic. Also... the plastic has a blue stripe at top and bottom of the plastic for Philadelphia, and a red stripe at top and bottom of the plastic for the Denver one.
As a proof, your coin is not special in regards to the steps. As mentioned proof coins are expected to be near full steps.
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Here's what to expect for steps from the 1960's.
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Thanks everyone, this has been very helpfull
you have proof sets - mint sets have plastic tokens saying Denver or Philadelphia for that sheet