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GarrettOGarrettO Posts: 59 ✭✭✭
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I have an 1897o Morgan that I had sent in for restoration as it was artificially toned and I wanted to see if it could be restored. Unfortunately after restoration, it was still graded as questionable color. They did a great job on restoring it. My question to you all is if you could grade it yourself, what would you grade it other than questionable color? Sorry for such a large black background...not sure how to make it smaller.

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 18,907 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2020 10:29PM

    Nice, it appears to have no hits on her cheek! That's key. I'll leave the rest for the more keener eye. To me, I Iike it.
    B)
    Oh, second thought, I do see a couple of hits on her cheek. Sorry!

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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63-

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 9,543 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hopefully they were able to stabilize the surfaces so it doesn't turn back. Do you have any "before" pictures?

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    CommencentsCommencents Posts: 349 ✭✭✭

    63 shot 64 no color.

    I don't see any colors but I an slightly color blind. Before photo's would be interesting.

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    clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 5,035 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That graded QC?

    Looks 64 to me.

    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
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    HighReliefHighRelief Posts: 3,729 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it as a 64

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    TexastTexast Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2020 11:46PM

    I would grade this at a low 64, there is very little chatter visible in this picture. The color remaining is a problem though.

    I have a raw Morgan that has been damaged bye a coin doctor (I bought it at melt). I looks like it had black or dark blue ink on it, it is also sticky to the touch.

    I wonder if acetone might help remove this?

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    jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,996 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62, looks better Im sure than it did, ashame it wouldn't straight grade

    I would like to see a before restoration shot as well

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    GarrettOGarrettO Posts: 59 ✭✭✭

    @lkenefic said:
    Hopefully they were able to stabilize the surfaces so it doesn't turn back. Do you have any "before" pictures?

    Here it is before restoration

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    GarrettOGarrettO Posts: 59 ✭✭✭

    @jdimmick said:
    62, looks better Im sure than it did, ashame it wouldn't straight grade

    I would like to see a before restoration shot as well

    Just posted before pics

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    GarrettOGarrettO Posts: 59 ✭✭✭

    It does have a nice strike for the year and mint mark. It IS genuine uncirculated. Maybe I should send to ANACS just for the grade.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 17,228 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS62, due to subdued luster and the flat/rubby cheek on Ms. Liberty.

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    GarrettOGarrettO Posts: 59 ✭✭✭

    @clarkbar04 said:
    That graded QC?

    Looks 64 to me.

    Yes. I was disappointed

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice looking coin. 64

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    blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 7,742 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62ish, congrats!

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would say 63.... may be a bit harsh due to the large images...every little tic and ding jumps out....Cheers, RickO

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    CCGGGCCGGG Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Probably a 63 from PCGS or NGC. Without the cheek hits it would be a solid 64

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    bearcavebearcave Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CCGGG said:
    Probably a 63 from PCGS or NGC. Without the cheek hits it would be a solid 64

    63 I agree with @CCGGG QC must still be the color they left on the reverse.

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    scotty1419scotty1419 Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭✭

    I really like it

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    Bigbuck1975Bigbuck1975 Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63 big spread coin. If the grade doesn’t fit you must resubmit

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 10,008 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

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    DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The cheek hit is a sever downgrade. It's an MS 63 in my opinion as is.

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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,042 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62/62+

    When in doubt, don't.
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    Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 9,543 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think the cheek hits (prime focal area) prevent this piece from getting higher than a 63... IMHO...

    FWIW... the conservation looks much better...

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    BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,672 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @joeykoins said:
    Nice, it appears to have no hits on her cheek! That's key. I'll leave the rest for the more keener eye. To me, I Iike it.
    B)
    Oh, second thought, I do see a couple of hits on her cheek. Sorry!

    At least 4 hits behind her upper lip.

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    BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,672 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @GarrettO said:

    @lkenefic said:
    Hopefully they were able to stabilize the surfaces so it doesn't turn back. Do you have any "before" pictures?

    Here it is before restoration

    I'd have left it alone if that pic is accurate.

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    GarrettOGarrettO Posts: 59 ✭✭✭

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @GarrettO said:

    @lkenefic said:
    Hopefully they were able to stabilize the surfaces so it doesn't turn back. Do you have any "before" pictures?

    Here it is before restoration

    I'd have left it alone if that pic is accurate.

    That pic was NOT accurate when purchased. This is high res. Had option to return it but wanted to try the restoration.

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    BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,672 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @GarrettO said:

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @GarrettO said:

    @lkenefic said:
    Hopefully they were able to stabilize the surfaces so it doesn't turn back. Do you have any "before" pictures?

    Here it is before restoration

    I'd have left it alone if that pic is accurate.

    That pic was NOT accurate when purchased. This is high res. Had option to return it but wanted to try the restoration.

    Do you have the seller's pics?

    theknowitalltroll;
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    GarrettOGarrettO Posts: 59 ✭✭✭

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @GarrettO said:

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @GarrettO said:

    @lkenefic said:
    Hopefully they were able to stabilize the surfaces so it doesn't turn back. Do you have any "before" pictures?

    Here it is before restoration

    I'd have left it alone if that pic is accurate.

    That pic was NOT accurate when purchased. This is high res. Had option to return it but wanted to try the restoration.

    Do you have the seller's pics?

    Yes

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @GarrettO said:

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @GarrettO said:

    @lkenefic said:
    Hopefully they were able to stabilize the surfaces so it doesn't turn back. Do you have any "before" pictures?

    Here it is before restoration

    I'd have left it alone if that pic is accurate.

    That pic was NOT accurate when purchased. This is high res. Had option to return it but wanted to try the restoration.

    Do you have the seller's pics?

    Yes


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