Color Designation
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Recently a Forum member posted an 1853 Large cent for GTG, Coin Revealed at MS66 BN
I guessed MS65 BN
The Coin was beautiful and I would be proud to own it!
Thinking it over the coin IMO could be a RB as I think the reverse has more than enough RED
To meet the 15% by itself.
However, if I was looking in a dealers tray and saw this coin as a RB with the obverse up I would think it lost that last bit of red and now it’s brown ( even with a sprinkling of red in protected areas)
Is this the only designation that could be “Net Graded” ?
If a Morgan Dollar has a 63 Obverse and a 67 reverse it can only ever be a 63, as the obverse carries the coin?
Would like a bit of insight
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RB/BN designations are quite inconsistently applied but I have noticed that the obverse usually carries the coin.....both in grade and color designation.
I am not credentialed in this area, however, from observations, it seems the 'obverse rules' applies here as well... Perhaps our copper experts could further elaborate. Cheers, RickO
There's a lot of slop with borderline coins.
I regraded a nice '17-D Lincoln 65RB in 2010. I hoped for 66 but it came back 65RD. I didn't agree with the color designation (I thought it was RB at best...maybe even BN) but I did nothing more.
Last year I consigned my small cents and the dealer sent it in for a regrade. PCGS downgraded the color to RB and sent along a color guarantee refund. (Note that although the color guarantee was eliminated in 2010 it still applies to coins originally graded prior to 2010 and not resold.)
Lance.
Thanks Lance,
Coin and Photo compliment each other very well, please message me your camera Setup. I would really like to get up to par
I’ve been reading the PCGS coin grading and Counterfeit detection book, my version is a little date? 1997 version. There is not too much info on color designation.. something interesting though according to the book is that there is many more copper coins graded than any other coin.
This must be one of the “Grey Areas” where it’s up to the collector to use Experience/Judgement and Feel to either agree or disagree and move on.
Appears to me though that which such big price jumps in color and so many being graded that it’s a mind field.
That's why I hope the "Brown-Red" designation will eventually be used by all the major grading services. It would make the color designation much more consistent, easier to apply, and easier to understand. The fact that it was not "their" idea (like grading problem coins rather than keeping the money for nothing) will slow or prevent this change from happening.
Do you mean “BR” just reversed to indicate a Brown Coin with a touch of Red?
Makes sense to me, although I don’t know the inner workings of their business and how it would affect things
Yes. That is the NORMAL color progression on a copper coin from red to brown!
In my experience there are several types of people associated with coins.
Let's ignore the accumulators and focus on the other three types. SOME dealers and collectors are also numismatists.
All researchers are numismatists. The two top TPGS were founded by coin dealers. Why make something so obvious to a numismatist so simple? Let's concoct a very complex and subjective percentage system so only a small group can interpret it "close-enough" to make it look precise.
Reading between the lines I understand the “Root” of what you are saying.
Like most things in life, it’s the REASON the game is played
I would prefer to discuss that aspect with someone in private.