You need to be more specific to make the question worthwhile.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
I’ll play. Soooo - you say ignore 100-150 years of history to suit your own preferences. And where do you draw the line? 1885 trade dollars and 1913 liberty nickels certainly have more nefariousness about them than 1884 trade dollars and original 1804 dollars. Do you lump them in the same lot simply because they weren’t released? And what exactly does that mean, anyway??? The 1876-cc twenty centers were not released...but were legitimately struck. Were 1838-O halves ‘released’? How about 1870-S dollars? Kinda hard to tell but since you’re now setting the rules do enlighten us on your exact criteria so we know what to collect and what to ignore.
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It is interesting to wonder why a 1913 liberty nickel, for example, is not considered more like a pattern when it comes to pricing. I suppose it's popularity for one thing and marketing for another.
They sell because the are “Unique” Thrill Seekers, Treasure hunters and Collectors are ALWAYS on the prowl... Get a bunch of these guys in the same room and the prices can go bananas
The OP could possibly be talking about such coins as 1974 Aluminum Cent, Many were produced but never released for circulation.
I read that a few escaped, possibly by mint employees hands or by Director Brooks
Quite the paradox with some rarities, you really want to show them off... but run the risk of the confiscation, what to do?
@Electricity said:
They sell because the are “Unique” Thrill Seekers, Treasure hunters and Collectors are ALWAYS on the prowl... Get a bunch of these guys in the same room and the prices can go bananas
The OP could possibly be talking about such coins as 1974 Aluminum Cent, Many were produced but never released for circulation.
I read that a few escaped, possibly by mint employees hands or by Director Brooks
Quite the paradox with some rarities, you really want to show them off... but run the risk of the confiscation, what to do?
That what hold me back from showing my 1964 Peace dollar😉
The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
That what hold me back from showing my 1964 Peace dollar😉
Yeah, I thought I might be safe because my 1964 Peace dollar had a 1964-S cent accidently struck into the coin, so I figured it would OK, but I got a reading it might not be, so I keep it in the Eiger Sanction Vault.
So why are you worried? That Edward VIII sovereign could not be owned for very long by anybody who didn't have a very solid net worth of say $100 million, with half of that in liquid assets. The coin is a very special coin that very few people could consider. In my sixty years, I have only met two people in that league (neither collected numismatic coins). The back story behind that coin is well-known, reasonable and believable too.
I was wondering if Tyrant purchased it but he already has one, so that accounts for the 2 specimens in private hands. Tyrant has a full 1937 Edward VIII proof set.
Is there a published account of how the 2 in private hands got out?
I believe that I read that "it was going back to England" in the sense that it had been in American hands and was going back into English hands. But not going to lay much of a bet - memory is tricky.
In 2019 I went back to London for the first time in nine years. London has had an outstanding decade. New buildings all over. Many renovations and improvements.
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What "rarities" are we talking about? 1913 Liberty Nickels?
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1964 SMS Kennedy?
That’ sure is a never released rarity but also #2 on the Top 100 Greatest Coins of All Time list. Is this what the OP is talking about?
The elusive "Parking Lot" penny pedigree?
You need to be more specific to make the question worthwhile.
Did some newbie hack your account? This is the kind of non specific question that newbies usually ask.
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I’ll play. Soooo - you say ignore 100-150 years of history to suit your own preferences. And where do you draw the line? 1885 trade dollars and 1913 liberty nickels certainly have more nefariousness about them than 1884 trade dollars and original 1804 dollars. Do you lump them in the same lot simply because they weren’t released? And what exactly does that mean, anyway??? The 1876-cc twenty centers were not released...but were legitimately struck. Were 1838-O halves ‘released’? How about 1870-S dollars? Kinda hard to tell but since you’re now setting the rules do enlighten us on your exact criteria so we know what to collect and what to ignore.
What do you mean “never released?”
1873-S No Arrows half dollar?
I'm guessing he's talking about moderns.
1944 steel cents?
1964 Peace dollar?
1870-S $3
What about the 2019-W dime? That may be one for sure,
1933 Saint Gaudens double eagle.?
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
1927 Proof Buffalo Nickels? (The Sinnock Specials?)
Pete
It is interesting to wonder why a 1913 liberty nickel, for example, is not considered more like a pattern when it comes to pricing. I suppose it's popularity for one thing and marketing for another.
Didn't the TPGS "Experts" decide these were "specimens?"
@coinbuf I like your response and suggestion. I felt the same thing (account hacked) about another old timer's account this weekend.
Proofs...............Specimens.............doesn't matter what they are. You are correct, though.
They still fit the bill, IMHOP.
Pete
They sell because the are “Unique” Thrill Seekers, Treasure hunters and Collectors are ALWAYS on the prowl... Get a bunch of these guys in the same room and the prices can go bananas
The OP could possibly be talking about such coins as 1974 Aluminum Cent, Many were produced but never released for circulation.
I read that a few escaped, possibly by mint employees hands or by Director Brooks
Quite the paradox with some rarities, you really want to show them off... but run the risk of the confiscation, what to do?
That what hold me back from showing my 1964 Peace dollar😉
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Yeah, I thought I might be safe because my 1964 Peace dollar had a 1964-S cent accidently struck into the coin, so I figured it would OK, but I got a reading it might not be, so I keep it in the Eiger Sanction Vault.
Sorry no, not hacked account. Not present here very often anymore TBH.
I was referring to this BS I found the other day is all ...
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/17/rare-coin-featuring-king-edward-viii-sells-for-1point3-million.html
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That is an extremely important piece, and justifiably so, in British numismatics...
Gobrecht's Engraved Mature Head Large Cent Model
https://www.instagram.com/rexrarities/?hl=en
That's more legit(or is it?) than a 33 double eagle that sold for a few bucks more!
@Rexford ok I guess if you say so.
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So why are you worried? That Edward VIII sovereign could not be owned for very long by anybody who didn't have a very solid net worth of say $100 million, with half of that in liquid assets. The coin is a very special coin that very few people could consider. In my sixty years, I have only met two people in that league (neither collected numismatic coins). The back story behind that coin is well-known, reasonable and believable too.
I was wondering if Tyrant purchased it but he already has one, so that accounts for the 2 specimens in private hands. Tyrant has a full 1937 Edward VIII proof set.
Is there a published account of how the 2 in private hands got out?
I believe that I read that "it was going back to England" in the sense that it had been in American hands and was going back into English hands. But not going to lay much of a bet - memory is tricky.
In 2019 I went back to London for the first time in nine years. London has had an outstanding decade. New buildings all over. Many renovations and improvements.