1927 Saint - Now in hand, my pictures...Updated with better(?) pictures...

Outhaul · January 24, 2020 12:54PM

I was pleasantly surprised when I opened the package. This is, without doubt, the cleanest MS-62 I have ever seen. Beautiful combination of frost and luster.

Taken a few minutes ago at home. Boy, when it comes to coin photography, I suck out loud! I think the pictures I took in my truck came out better.

bearcave · January 24, 2020 1:03PM

Nice Coin!

CoinJunkie · January 24, 2020 1:05PM

WOW, even better than originally thought. You (sorta) suck!

MFeld · January 24, 2020 1:15PM

@Outhaul said:
I was pleasantly surprised when I opened the package. This is, without doubt, the cleanest MS-62 I have ever seen. Beautiful combination of frost and luster.

Are the darker areas on each side due to the lighting setup?

Outhaul · January 24, 2020 1:22PM

Yup, it’s the lighting. Taken in my truck with an iPhone 😆

MFeld · January 24, 2020 1:24PM

@Outhaul said:
Yup, it’s the lighting. Taken in my truck with an iPhone 😆

Whew!😉

Outhaul · January 24, 2020 1:24PM

I’ll take better ones when I get home. Just couldn’t wait.

asheland · January 24, 2020 1:29PM

That's awesome! Congrats! Definitely sticker worthy, likely the sticker would match the coin.

coinkat · January 24, 2020 2:16PM

Looks to be a rattler... Common date but a wonderful example. Congrats

coinkat · January 24, 2020 2:32PM

There are many here that argue grade inflation is a significant problem. In looking at this coin today, would 62 seem the best option for the grade? Standards are important - but with gold coins- were the pre 1990 standards consistent with what reasonably should have been anticipated? I just do not see this as a 62 from the images then or today.

CoinJunkie · January 24, 2020 2:36PM

There may have been an edict at the time that coins exhibiting any high point friction could not be assigned a grade higher than 62, no matter how clean. Obviously, that is no longer the case. Change is inevitable. It's up to us to adapt.

erwindoc · January 24, 2020 2:42PM

Id be proud to own it! Nice coin!

lkenefic · January 24, 2020 3:00PM

Wow! Ya dun good! !

Jimnight · January 24, 2020 3:40PM

I guess so. Nice coin!

ms70 · January 24, 2020 3:46PM

Sweet piece!

Catbert · January 24, 2020 4:31PM

Really nice!

Outhaul · January 24, 2020 5:44PM

Better(?) pictures.

mark_dak · January 24, 2020 7:10PM

Nice coin but unfortunately you may want to live with the MS62 grade. Reholdering and going up one or two grades may not help if you're giving up what looks to be an older holder. Lots of collectors seem to prefer the older style holders, I'm not necessarily one of them. Not much difference between a MS62 and MS63 or MS64 on these common date Saints. It's a shame.

Maybe just enjoy as it sits even though your instincts are probably correct and this could be graded higher... these coins are beautiful!!

7Jaguars · January 24, 2020 7:11PM

I like these coins, but that face looks demolished despite the Nice luster. I'm seeing 62 as reasonably fair despite all.

Outhaul · January 24, 2020 8:24PM

@7Jaguars said:
I like these coins, but that face looks demolished despite the Nice luster. I'm seeing 62 as reasonably fair despite all.

Not too shabby. There are certainly worse on higher graded Saints...

crazyhounddog · January 24, 2020 8:27PM

Baby oh baby👌👍🥳
What a beautiful piece my coin brother, just beautiful. Nothing like a double eagle Saint to brighten up your day.
Congratulations

PerryHall · January 25, 2020 2:05AM

Looks like a good candidate for a gold CAC sticker. I don't need a sticker to tell me that coin is under graded using current grading standards but many collectors will pay will pay a big premium for the gold sticker.

ReadyFireAim · January 25, 2020 5:09AM

@Outhaul said:
Not too shabby. There are certainly worse on higher graded Saints...

Here is MS64 for about $450,000.00

I'd rather have this MS62 at $90,000.00

(BTW...Check out the monster die crack )

Outhaul · January 25, 2020 5:13AM

@ReadyFireAim said:

@Outhaul said:
Not too shabby. There are certainly worse on higher graded Saints...

Here is MS64 for about $450,000.00

Now THAT face on the MS-64 looks like Liberty went a round or two with Butterbean.

MFeld · January 25, 2020 5:15AM

@PerryHall said:
Looks like a good candidate for a gold CAC sticker. I don't need a sticker to tell me that coin is under graded using current grading standards but many collectors will pay will pay a big premium for the gold sticker.

I disagree, at least with the practicality of submitting it. There’s not much of a price spread between 62’s, 63’s (and even 64’s). And the coin could bring something of a premium, due to its holder and appearance, anyway.

ReadyFireAim · January 25, 2020 5:24AM

@PerryHall said:
...many collectors will pay will pay a big premium for the gold sticker.

Fourteen bucks for a gold bean on a OGH?
I've seen people loose their minds over stuff like that.

Downtown1974 · January 25, 2020 5:28AM

Sticker or no sticker, that’s a beautiful Saint!

ricko · January 25, 2020 6:12AM

That is a big, beautiful, gold Saint Bob.....I would keep it as is....I am sure it would get a sticker, if that is important. Cheers, RickO

CoinJunkie · January 25, 2020 6:20AM

@MFeld said:

@PerryHall said:
Looks like a good candidate for a gold CAC sticker. I don't need a sticker to tell me that coin is under graded using current grading standards but many collectors will pay will pay a big premium for the gold sticker.

I disagree, at least with the practicality of submitting it. There’s not much of a price spread between 62’s, 63’s (and even 64’s). And the coin could bring something of a premium, due to its holder and appearance, anyway.

I don't know the market these days but a few years ago common date Mercs with gold stickers were fetching 4-5x what the next higher grade was worth. A lot of them were old NGC coins in 65 holders. People are apparently blinded by gold even when it's not metal!

MFeld · January 25, 2020 6:42AM

@CoinJunkie said:

@MFeld said:

@PerryHall said:
Looks like a good candidate for a gold CAC sticker. I don't need a sticker to tell me that coin is under graded using current grading standards but many collectors will pay will pay a big premium for the gold sticker.

I disagree, at least with the practicality of submitting it. There’s not much of a price spread between 62’s, 63’s (and even 64’s). And the coin could bring something of a premium, due to its holder and appearance, anyway.

I don't know the market these days but a few years ago common date Mercs with gold stickers were fetching 4-5x what the next higher grade was worth. A lot of them were old NGC coins in 65 holders. People are apparently blinded by gold even when it's not metal!

The percentage spread in value between a 65, 66 and 67 Mercury dime dwarfs that of a Saint in 62, 63 and 64.

The likely best case scenario for a seller of the Saint with a gold sticker, would be obtaining 64 money for it. How much, if anything more would that be, than the coin would bring, as is?

CoinJunkie · January 25, 2020 6:50AM

@MFeld said:

@CoinJunkie said:

@MFeld said:

@PerryHall said:
Looks like a good candidate for a gold CAC sticker. I don't need a sticker to tell me that coin is under graded using current grading standards but many collectors will pay will pay a big premium for the gold sticker.

I disagree, at least with the practicality of submitting it. There’s not much of a price spread between 62’s, 63’s (and even 64’s). And the coin could bring something of a premium, due to its holder and appearance, anyway.

I don't know the market these days but a few years ago common date Mercs with gold stickers were fetching 4-5x what the next higher grade was worth. A lot of them were old NGC coins in 65 holders. People are apparently blinded by gold even when it's not metal!

The percentage spread in value between a 65, 66 and 67 Mercury dime dwarfs that of a Saint in 62, 63 and 64.

The likely best case scenario for a seller of the Saint with a gold sticker, would be obtaining 64 money for it. How much, if anything more would that be, than the coin would bring, as is?

There's maybe a 30-35% price increase from 65fb to 66fb on a common WW2 Merc. While that may dwarf the difference for a Saint, if collectors are willing to pay 4x what something is worth because of a gold sticker, it's a moot point.

MFeld · January 25, 2020 6:56AM

@CoinJunkie said:

@MFeld said:

@CoinJunkie said:

@MFeld said:

@PerryHall said:
Looks like a good candidate for a gold CAC sticker. I don't need a sticker to tell me that coin is under graded using current grading standards but many collectors will pay will pay a big premium for the gold sticker.

I disagree, at least with the practicality of submitting it. There’s not much of a price spread between 62’s, 63’s (and even 64’s). And the coin could bring something of a premium, due to its holder and appearance, anyway.

I don't know the market these days but a few years ago common date Mercs with gold stickers were fetching 4-5x what the next higher grade was worth. A lot of them were old NGC coins in 65 holders. People are apparently blinded by gold even when it's not metal!

The percentage spread in value between a 65, 66 and 67 Mercury dime dwarfs that of a Saint in 62, 63 and 64.

The likely best case scenario for a seller of the Saint with a gold sticker, would be obtaining 64 money for it. How much, if anything more would that be, than the coin would bring, as is?

There's maybe a 30-35% price increase from 65fb to 66fb on a common WW2 Merc. While that may dwarf the difference for a Saint, if collectors are willing to pay 4x what something is worth because of a gold sticker, it's a moot point.

I stand by my assessment of the upside for the Saint. I understand that you and even many others might disagree.

JimTyler · January 25, 2020 7:00AM

It does appear high end 62 and provides a desirable coin to own however when it comes time to sell you might as well cover the coin, dealers will only look at the number on the slab. I doubt a bump even for the rattler. Just my opinion and I can boast I am normally right 50% of the time. ( I should make that my signature line 😩)

mark_dak · January 25, 2020 8:00AM

@MFeld said:

@PerryHall said:
Looks like a good candidate for a gold CAC sticker. I don't need a sticker to tell me that coin is under graded using current grading standards but many collectors will pay will pay a big premium for the gold sticker.

I disagree, at least with the practicality of submitting it. There’s not much of a price spread between 62’s, 63’s (and even 64’s). And the coin could bring something of a premium, due to its holder and appearance, anyway.

Hate to admit the truth. My 1924 Saint in an NGC MS65 slab still only brings a small premium. Doesn't take away from the fact you picked up a real nice coin!

WillieBoyd2 · January 25, 2020 8:40AM

Nice coin.

Cougar1978 · January 25, 2020 1:02PM

Really nice piece looks much nicer than assigned grade. Congrats on nice pickup.

kaz · January 25, 2020 7:15PM

Great looking Saint, congrats.

1927 Saint - Now in hand, my pictures...Updated with better(?) pictures...

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