Official Astros/Red Sox Thread

robert67 · January 13, 2020 12:37PM

Renamed thread since most everyone knows what is going on with these teams.

Discuss.

brad31 · January 13, 2020 12:54PM

Wonder if Yu Darvish can sue them for damages based in his WS performance when they were stealing signs. Probably cost him at least $20MM on his next deal. Glad they are giving a serious punishment. Last time when the Cardinals hacked a computer system the punishment was laughable.

doubledragon · January 13, 2020 1:18PM

A $5 million dollar fine. The Astros can cover that in hot dog fees.

PROMETHIUS88 · January 13, 2020 1:22PM

Stroh dismiss Luhnow and Hinch

Horse · January 13, 2020 2:53PM

Should have taken the series win away. This is worse than Mr Rose stuff.

doubledragon · January 13, 2020 3:10PM

When you see this sign at Astros stadium, you better know they mean it.

Unknown · January 13, 2020 3:11PM

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LGC · January 13, 2020 3:20PM

Owner Crane said the organization needed a fresh start. So they should also trade Roberto Osuna, non-convicted but MLB penalized wife beater, asap!!

dennis07 · January 13, 2020 3:28PM

@doubledragon said:
A $5 million dollar fine. The Astros can cover that in hot dog fees.

Agree it's not much but I read that it was the maximum allowed under the rules.

LGC · January 13, 2020 3:34PM

@robert67 said:
Discuss.

Let’s step back...why did you start this thread here?

Oh, I get it...folks cutting corners and cheating. Very Appropriate!! Thanks.

NJ80sBBC · January 13, 2020 3:36PM

Loss of 1st and 2nd round picks for 2 years is a solid hit to their system.

robert67 · January 13, 2020 3:59PM

@LGC said:

@robert67 said:
Discuss.

Let’s step back...why did you start this thread here?

Oh, I get it...folks cutting corners and cheating. Very Appropriate!! Thanks.

Hi rook. I started it here so more members could react.

I have been here awhile and certainly can do without your snide comments. Not the way to win friends on this board.

LGC · January 13, 2020 4:53PM

@robert67 said:

@LGC said:

@robert67 said:
Discuss.

Let’s step back...why did you start this thread here?

Oh, I get it...folks cutting corners and cheating. Very Appropriate!! Thanks.

Hi rook. I started it here so more members could react.

I have been here awhile and certainly can do without your snide comments. Not the way to win friends on this board.

Not trying to be snide. I wholeheartedly agree with the thread. I was trying to inject a little humour by linking the Astros firings with the recent matters on trimming/altering cards. Sorry you have misinterpreted my intentions. Certainly not trying rile people up.

robert67 · January 13, 2020 5:06PM

Its all good. Thanks for clarifying.

psychump · January 13, 2020 7:01PM

Alex Cora and the Red Sox are next. Cora was a bench coach in Houston during the scandal and was involved in the sign stealing and brought it to Boston.

ArtVandelay · January 13, 2020 11:44PM

Corked bats, steroids, juiced baseballs, and video cameras set to steal signs....all in a days work for MLB

Piggs · January 14, 2020 12:05AM

It's one.......two....no need for three smacks on the garbage can and you're out at the ole ball game.

pab1969 · January 14, 2020 2:17AM

They should void out the world series titles of both the Astros and Red Sox for the cheating scandal. I would rather have no winner than a cheater.

toadstrangler · January 14, 2020 5:10AM

@psychump said:
Alex Cora and the Red Sox are next. Cora was a bench coach in Houston during the scandal and was involved in the sign stealing and brought it to Boston.

Cora was the architect. He's done. Bye Bye Alex Cora.

doubledragon · January 14, 2020 8:03AM

It's time for a corny Astros joke.

Q: How do you know when the Astros are cheating?

A: They have the lead in a game.

DBesse27 · January 14, 2020 8:58AM

@softparade said:

@psychump said:
Alex Cora and the Red Sox are next. Cora was a bench coach in Houston during the scandal and was involved in the sign stealing and brought it to Boston.

Cora was the architect. He's done. Bye Bye Alex Cora.

I agree, could be looking at a lifetime ban.

dad2cl3 · January 14, 2020 9:51AM

@doubledragon said:
It's time for a corny Astros joke.

Q: How do you know when the Astros are cheating?

A: They have the lead in a game.

But only if it's a home game right? ;-)

dad2cl3 · January 14, 2020 9:52AM

The best part of this scandal is the way the Nationals beat them in Game 7 of the World Series. Sean Dolittle was interviewed in December following the World Series and stated that the Nationals went into Game 7 with SIX sets of signs for the game!

robert67 · January 14, 2020 5:51PM

Now Cora is out as Red Sox manager.

LGC · January 14, 2020 6:17PM

If MLB and owners acted this effectively and quickly during the steroids era, Aaron and Maris would still have their records. Big “*” besides their two championships, IMO.

robert67 · January 14, 2020 7:27PM

MLB won't take away the Astros and Red Sox championships, but they should.

MLB warned every organizaion to stop this type of behavior. However, these 2 teams kept going. To me, this is inexcusable.

JoeBanzai · January 14, 2020 8:04PM

@doubledragon said:
It's time for a corny Astros joke.

Q: How do you know when the Astros are cheating?

A: They have the lead in a game.

Or if it's tied or they are behind.

Mintacular · January 14, 2020 9:40PM

The Houston Asterisks* now

doubledragon · January 14, 2020 11:23PM

Interesting. It looks like Alex Cora hasn't cleaned his office out yet.

robert67 · January 15, 2020 5:22AM

Will Carlos Beltran be next? He and the Mets have to be feeling the heat.

robert67 · January 15, 2020 5:47AM

Part of Red Sox statement on Cora:

We collectively decided that it would not be possible for Alex to effectively lead the club going forward and we mutually agreed to part ways. This is a sad day for us. Alex is a special person and a beloved member of the Red Sox. We are grateful for his impact on our franchise.

Special person?
Grateful for his impact on franchise? (Yes, I understand they won in 2018)

toadstrangler · January 15, 2020 5:59AM

Cora is a fool. Not very bright in the common sense bucket. Just like Rose wasn't in the gambling bucket. The 'Sox WS championship in '18 could be tainted meat as well. Let's see what MLB's investigation of the Red Sox does or doesn't turn up.

dad2cl3 · January 15, 2020 6:12AM

dad2cl3 · January 15, 2020 6:13AM

@robert67 said:
Will Carlos Beltran be next? He and the Mets have to be feeling the heat.

Beltran was a player so likely will not be punished by MLB

robert67 · January 15, 2020 6:17AM

@dad2cl3 said:

@robert67 said:
Will Carlos Beltran be next? He and the Mets have to be feeling the heat.

Beltran was a player so likely will not be punished by MLB

You may be right but this is uncharted territory. Mets may not want to deal with the baggage.

toadstrangler · January 15, 2020 6:25AM

@dad2cl3 said:

@robert67 said:
Will Carlos Beltran be next? He and the Mets have to be feeling the heat.

Beltran was a player so likely will not be punished by MLB

You are correct BUT the court of public opinion will be too much for the Mets to keep him as manager. He was the only player named in the investigation of the Astros. That means he was part of concocting the scheme.

nam812 · January 15, 2020 6:49AM

@softparade said:

.......... He was the only player named in the investigation of the Astros. That means he was part of concocting the scheme.

I think Beltran was named because he is no longer an active player, and not protected by the MLBPA anymore.

swish54 · January 15, 2020 6:56AM

@nam812 said:

@softparade said:

.......... He was the only player named in the investigation of the Astros. That means he was part of concocting the scheme.

I think Beltran was named because he is no longer an active player, and not protected by the MLBPA anymore.

Agree. MLB couldn't do much to the players themselves because they are protected by the MLBPA, front office employees and coaches are not. Plus if the players knew they could be punished, they wouldn't give up so much information on the scheme. So by giving them immunity in a way, MLB was able to get a lot more information.

dad2cl3 · January 15, 2020 7:40AM

@softparade said:

@dad2cl3 said:

@robert67 said:
Will Carlos Beltran be next? He and the Mets have to be feeling the heat.

Beltran was a player so likely will not be punished by MLB

You are correct BUT the court of public opinion will be too much for the Mets to keep him as manager. He was the only player named in the investigation of the Astros. That means he was part of concocting the scheme.

Totally agree that he should be fired by the Mets. I just suspect that it is too close to pitchers and catchers reporting for Spring Training and the Mets don't do it.

toadstrangler · January 15, 2020 7:41AM

@nam812 said:

@softparade said:

.......... He was the only player named in the investigation of the Astros. That means he was part of concocting the scheme.

I think Beltran was named because he is no longer an active player, and not protected by the MLBPA anymore.

You are probably correct. Either way NY will crucify him. I bet the Mets dump him.

robert67 · January 15, 2020 8:55AM

Mets will have to fire him for many of the reasons listed above.

Can you imagine the NY media scrutiny if he somehow stays? It's tough enough there as it is.

DBesse27 · January 15, 2020 11:05AM

Manfred said Beltrán won’t be punished by MLB. He might get fired by the Mets though.

doubledragon · January 16, 2020 7:51AM

This is how the Houston Astros workout during the off-season.

LGC · January 16, 2020 9:35AM

Don’t forget about Brandon Taubman. He suggested that through his education and his career at EY and Barclays, he developed special analytical baseball skills. I guess that’s what you call banging on a trash can!

LarkinCollector · January 16, 2020 11:23AM

Aaaaand, now Beltran's gone.

toadstrangler · January 16, 2020 11:33AM

Beltran knew he was toast. No way and no how the Mets could have kept him on.

robert67 · January 16, 2020 2:49PM

Has there ever been a time in the modern era that 3 managers were gone this quickly before the season? Obviously this is a different circumstance than most years so it is not likely.

Mind blowing when you think about the impact this situation could have to MLB. Many execs and players are not happy for various reasons. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

doubledragon · January 16, 2020 5:40PM

Jose Altuve has been accused of wearing a buzzer under his jersey during some of his biggest home runs in the post season. The buzzer allegedly tipped him off about what pitches to expect. This scandal just continues to get more bizarre.

robert67 · January 16, 2020 5:51PM

You beat me to it. Don't know if this is 100% accurate but here it is:

https://www.nj.com/yankees/2020/01/mlb-rumors-carlos-beltrans-niece-says-astros-jose-altuve-alex-bregman-wore-devices-that-buzzed-as-part-of-sign-stealing-scandal.html

doubledragon · January 16, 2020 6:00PM

If it turns out to be true, that is just pathetic! I can just see the buzzer going off, bzzzzzzz! You just can't make this stuff up! 😂😂

robert67 · January 16, 2020 7:04PM

Altuve holds onto jersey for dear life after 2017 pennant winning HR and then ran directly into dugout tunnel. Asked teammates not to pull off jersey.

Cause for suspicion or much ado about nothing? Mlb says no, but they don't seem to have a clue as to what is going on in their game. More to come I'm sure.

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