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Is this a stupid term I just "coined?"

Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

When the surfaces of a coin are cleaned either mechanically, chemically, or both; very often the coin has a "halo" effect around its relief design and letters because the cleaning either did not reach that area or there is a change of color. Long ago I named this characteristic "outline" a "halo." I had a new thought today and coined the term "hazelo" to describe this characteristic when it is just an easily removed film of anything such as skin oil. I value your opinions very much. Is this just a very stupid term? Does it just add confusion to a long standing term "halo effect?" Please be totally BRUTAL :p with your opinions as the poll is anonymous! LOL.

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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,768 ✭✭✭✭✭

    To me, the 'halo effect' is a positive term used to describe the luster of an uncirculated coin. Is this not correct?? I would not want that to be co-mingled with any term used to describe a cleaned coin. I think you can come up with a better term, although I don't know what that might be. I will put some thought into it and see, if I come up with anything. Hazelo sounds funny and is too close to Halo effect. JMHO.

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  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 17,598 ✭✭✭✭✭

    LOL :)

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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,768 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The haze you're describing; I just call it dip residue.

    'Residue effect' is the best I can come up with.

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 31, 2019 11:20AM

    @Walkerfan said:
    To me, the 'halo effect' is a positive term used to describe the luster of an uncirculated coin. Is this not correct?? I would not want that to be co-mingled with any term used to describe a cleaned coin. I think you can come up with a better term, although I don't know what that might be. I will put some thought into it and see, if I come up with anything. Hazelo sounds funny and is too close to Halo effect. JMHO.

    IMO this is not correct. Since early 1973, the term "halo effect" has been taught/used to describe what I posted above. Of course, any "brand-new-Johnny-come-lately-coin-ex-pert" (not you) could come along later and adopt the term. Rather than a correction ("Cud" changed to "Die Break" at the rim) it is a misuse. "Halo Effect" describes the characteristic it is intended to indicate "perfectly." However, this other term popped into my head today. Early start to New Year w/Brandy flavored coffee?

    Now, the only way I can imagine the term "halo" being applied to BU coins with original mint luster would be the special cases where the strike and die wear appears to show a glowing "ring" around the coin's surface. I've called that characteristic a "Luster Halo" in the past. I'll look for some images.

    Luster of an Uncirculated coin: "Bloom. Cartwheel, etc."

  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 31, 2019 11:20AM

    Since "Halo" isn't at all well known or used for this particular occurrence...I'm not sure "Hazelo" is any better or necessary.

    (Looks more like a "shadow" effect to me. Halo implies some sort of brilliance, while shadow implies dull. But then I'd just be making up terms too. :neutral: )

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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,768 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 I am definitely thinking of a 'luster Halo', as I know I have heard luster bands described as 'halos' in the past.

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Shadow Effect" is a good one. :) "Shadow" never came to my mind back then. While a "shadow" casts a dark area behind something a "halo" surrounds something. .

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,341 ✭✭✭✭✭

    To be in line with many numismatic neologisms, it has to be counter-intuitive, not make any sense, require a lot of explanation to define, or be at least partially named after yourself. I believe you've accomplished much of this with "hazelo," and I will agree that it's a pretty stupid term.

    :)

  • HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe because I was surrounded by the younger generation awhile back but every time I hear/read “Halo” I think about a video game. :#

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 31, 2019 11:37AM

    Why not just use the phrase " halo effect" which describes it perfectly.

    o:)o:)o:)

  • Moxie15Moxie15 Posts: 318 ✭✭✭

    I just do not like terms like this.
    put it right up there with labordoodle and puggle

  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,894 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Improper hazing?
    Lance.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Altered Surface" and "Improper hazing" may be to general.

    I do think "Hazelo" is stupid. I just needed a good beat down to start the last year of the decade. >:)

  • TexastTexast Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 31, 2019 12:33PM

    What's wrong with calling a cleaned coin "Cleaned" it explains everything very easily.

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  • CCGGGCCGGG Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 31, 2019 12:39PM

    KISS principle.... It's been "cleaned". Sometimes I'll say "harshly cleaned". Works for me.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,927 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Texast said:
    What's wrong with calling a cleaned coin "Cleaned" it explains everything very easily.

    Too generic. There's curating, improper cleaning, chemical cleaning, physical cleaning, etc.

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Texast said:
    What's wrong with calling a cleaned coin "Cleaned" it explains everything very easily.

    If I rub my hands through my greasy (formerly black) hair and then touch the surface of a coin enough to get it hazy, I have NOT CLEANED the coin. I have "altered" its surface. Now, it needs to be properly cleaned (conserved) to restore it. See the difference.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Texast said:
    What's wrong with calling a cleaned coin "Cleaned" it explains everything very easily.

    Too generic. There's curating, improper cleaning, chemical cleaning, physical cleaning, etc.

    Exactly! Unfortunately, the poster thinks it's funny.

  • TexastTexast Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    @Texast said:
    What's wrong with calling a cleaned coin "Cleaned" it explains everything very easily.

    If I rub my hands through my greasy (formerly black) hair and then touch the surface of a coin enough to get it hazy, I have NOT CLEANED the coin. I have "altered" its surface. Now, it needs to be properly cleaned (conserved) to restore it. See the difference.

    I posted that so you could have fun arguing about it. I only mentioned cleaned coins, not altered surfaces.
    I knew any answer was the wrong one, just having some fun with you!

    Have a happy New year!

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ditto. What a relief to read; at first I was disappointed.

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