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Insider2
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edited December 30, 2019 2:56PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Collection #2597

Question: What would we expect the other side of the coin (opposite this break) should look like? Why?

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  • ctf_error_coins
    ctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    :)

  • Insider2
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    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    :)

    Thanks, I saw you just posted and thought ^%$#&&*((#@. :p

    HAPPY NEW YEAR!

  • toyz4geo
    toyz4geo Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Assuming an unbroken reverse die, I would think the corresponding reverse to be either unstruck or weakly struck.

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  • Insider2
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    @messydesk said: "Little to no detail in the design opposite the break, and a distorted design opposite the edge of the break, due to the massive metal flow into the void where the chunk of die is missing.

  • JBK
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    I have a very similar cud on a cent found in circulation, but mine has a date.

    Adding: there is a rim on the coin even where the void is since the planchet went through the "upsetting" process to raise a rim before striking.

    Not sure about the "distorted design opposite the edge of the break", though. I don't recall mine having that. Can you post pics of the whole reverse to show that here?

  • messydesk
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    @JBK said:
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    Not sure about the "distorted design opposite the edge of the break", though. I don't recall mine having that. Can you post pics of the whole reverse to show that here?

    The top right corner of the Lincoln Memorial shows this, as does the rightmost column to a lesser extent.

    John
    Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
  • Insider2
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    @JBK said:
    I have a very similar cud on a cent found in circulation, but mine has a date.

    Adding: there is a rim on the coin even where the void is since the planchet went through the "upsetting" process to raise a rim before striking.

    Not sure about the "distorted design opposite the edge of the break", though. I don't recall mine having that. Can you post pics of the whole reverse to show that here?

    Sorry, coin gone.

    PS I've never heard about the "distorted design" characteristic before as in my view, no design is ever present.

  • Insider2
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    @messydesk said:

    @JBK said:
    ...

    Not sure about the "distorted design opposite the edge of the break", though. I don't recall mine having that. Can you post pics of the whole reverse to show that here?

    The top right corner of the Lincoln Memorial shows this, as does the rightmost column to a lesser extent.

    Thanks! I see it!

  • JBK
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    @messydesk said:

    @JBK said:
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    Not sure about the "distorted design opposite the edge of the break", though. I don't recall mine having that. Can you post pics of the whole reverse to show that here?

    The top right corner of the Lincoln Memorial shows this, as does the rightmost column to a lesser extent.

    I think we are having a difference of opinion on terminology only. To me, "the design opposite the edge of the break" refers to the design adjacent to the opposite side of the reverse (in this particular case), as in the Blakesly Effect on clipped coins.

    From what you have described in the photos, though, it is actually a weakness in the design adjacent or closest to the unstruck area.

  • messydesk
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    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    Another example ...

    This is a much better example of the distortion I was talking about.

    John
    Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
  • Insider2
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    I took your original post to mean a distorted design in the void. LOL.

  • messydesk
    messydesk Posts: 20,826 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Insider2 said:
    I took your original post to mean a distorted design in the void. LOL.

    Nope. On the edge as it gets sucked into the void.

    John
    Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
  • 1630Boston
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    Thanks @insider2 and @ErrorsOnCoins
    With all of your collective knowledge, shared freely here, I am learning so much that I may be an expert in my next life.
    Thank you both :)

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  • TradesWithChops
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    maybe it was struck on a brockage error

    Minor Variety Trade dollar's with chop marks set:
    More Than It's Chopped Up To Be

  • TradesWithChops
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    too soon?

    Minor Variety Trade dollar's with chop marks set:
    More Than It's Chopped Up To Be

  • messydesk
    messydesk Posts: 20,826 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 30, 2019 1:42PM
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    @TradesWithChops said:
    maybe it was struck on a brockage error
    too soon?

    John
    Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
  • Insider2
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    @1630Boston said:
    Thanks @insider2 and @ErrorsOnCoins
    With all of your collective knowledge, shared freely here, I am learning so much that I may be an expert in my next life.
    Thank you both :)

    They say it only takes 10,000 hours of study. :)

  • Insider2
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    @TradesWithChops said:
    maybe it was struck on a brockage error

    ?? What would happen to the raised rim?

  • 1630Boston
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    edited December 30, 2019 2:40PM
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    @Insider2 said:

    They say it only takes 10,000 hours of study. :)

    Unfortunately [or maybe fortunately] I spent my last 83,000+ hours of 'study' becoming an expert in another field.

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  • Insider2
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    @1630Boston said:

    @Insider2 said:

    They say it only takes 10,000 hours of study. :)

    Unfortunately [or maybe fortunately] I spent my last 83,000+ hours of 'study' becoming an expert in another field.

    That's great, and this is a "hobby" for you. My other hobbies do not deal with coins. :)

  • JBK
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    edited December 31, 2019 12:55AM
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    @commoncents05 said:

    With a die break that big I have to wonder if the press operator could hear that something was wrong. I have to think that impacted the striking dynamic pretty significantly.

  • scubafuel
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    @commoncents05 that is so cool! I’ve not seen anything like that.

  • Insider2
    Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Perhaps the coin posted in this discussion is another example of a "failure:" "Micrographs of an interesting coin."

  • scubafuel
    scubafuel Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Yeah perhaps.

  • KindaNewish
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    @CoinHoarder said:
    Not sure whether this is a die break or not. See front of Ms. Liberty's breast.

    supernumerary nipple. It just happens sometimes
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernumerary_nipple

  • redub117
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    a monster crack die varieties at reverse of Doubled Denomination 1995 Penny on Dime Planchet -
    Lincoln Memorial Building split in Half plus images of explosion at step, Perfectly Round, NO DINGs , The picture will tell you how awesome this coin in hand.

  • redub117
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    skull break as pointed in arrow

  • amwldcoin
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  • DNADave
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    edited December 31, 2019 10:49AM
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    This is the only die break I have



  • Insider2
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    @CoinHoarder said:
    Not sure whether this is a die break or not. See front of Ms. Liberty's breast.

    Rim Break (cud) on S-153 R-3

  • CoinHoarder
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    @Insider2 said:

    @CoinHoarder said:
    Not sure whether this is a die break or not. See front of Ms. Liberty's breast.

    Rim Break (cud) on S-153 R-3

    Thank you very much Insider 2. Your expertise and willingness to share it is appreciated!

  • Zoins
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    edited December 31, 2019 1:48PM
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    Very impressive coins in this thread! Love the moderns as they somehow seem like they shouldn't escape with our newer minting processes!

    Private Mint News | 2010 Lincoln Reverse Finalists
  • Zoins
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    edited December 31, 2019 1:50PM
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    When I think if die cracks, I think of this one from Ken Potter. It almost seems like you should take each 3rd and strike a medal with it ;)

    Private Mint News | 2010 Lincoln Reverse Finalists
  • Zoins
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    edited December 31, 2019 1:54PM
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    I have one of these but no pics of mine so I got this one from the bay, courtesy of rarecoincollector. This is one of most impressive die crack tokens to me because it looks like the die should not have even been able to create a strike. I imagine the die being held to together by rubber bands ;)

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  • Insider2
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    @CoinHoarder said:

    @Insider2 said:

    @CoinHoarder said:
    Not sure whether this is a die break or not. See front of Ms. Liberty's breast.

    Rim Break (cud) on S-153 R-3

    Thank you very much Insider 2. Your expertise and willingness to share it is appreciated!

    Thanks, but ANYONE could do this. I have a reference book. The Large cent collectors keep this stuff in their heads!

  • Zoins
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    edited December 31, 2019 2:22PM
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    @messydesk said:

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    Another example ...

    This is a much better example of the distortion I was talking about.

    The distortion effect makes it look like the Lincoln Memorial is getting sucked into a black hole!

    Private Mint News | 2010 Lincoln Reverse Finalists
  • 1630Boston
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    This is the only 'defective' coin that I have :)
    A die crack starts from the top of the V, shows between the first
    and second digits of the date and extends to the inner border below
    the second E.

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  • bushmaster888
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    edited December 31, 2019 6:00PM
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    Not sure if this qualifies, but it is the only die break (if a chip is indeed a die break) I have. I call it the Cumberbun 1996-D Washington. Found it in a mint set and have never seen another.

  • 1630Boston
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    @bushmaster888 said:
    Not sure if this qualifies, but it is the only die break (if a chip is indeed a die break) I have. I call it the Cumberbun 1996-D Washington. Found it in a mint set and have never seen another.

    I like that you actually found that

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    Bad transactions with : nobody to date

  • JBK
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    @bushmaster888 said:
    Not sure if this qualifies, but it is the only die break (if a chip is indeed a die break) I have. I call it the Cumberbun 1996-D Washington. Found it in a mint set and have never seen another.

    Great find. If it were me, though, I would have left it in the mint packaging.

  • Lakesammman
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  • Nysoto
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    I have some bigger breaks but I need to take pics. The 1795 is new to me:

    Robert Scot: Engraving Liberty - biography of US Mint's first chief engraver
  • bushmaster888
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    Those are terrific Nysoto

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