Is this coin a cameo?
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This is not a trick question. Is this a Cameo. There is no need to see the entire coin. All that is needed to form an opinion is Washington's head. I'm interested in your opinion and your reason for it.
Is this coin a cameo?
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That's an interesting photo to try and judge. It would be easier to judge with an unmagnified photo in natural lighting.
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Too much of Washington's head lacks frost to call this a CAM.
Similar to how the "sun" on WLH's are somemtimes the limiting factor in determing CAM/non-CAM.
Not quite.
I think that the "spaghetti hair" Quarters should look like that as a Cameo.
It enhances the detail favorably, IMHOP.
Pete
The only possibility is not cameo. You'd have to see the whole coin to be able to commit to cameo. A small part of the coin is enough to eliminate cameo. That said George's head lacks some frost. The white balance needs some adjustment on that photo.
If that is die frosting then yes, a cameo.
If that is finger oil (or similar) then no, not a cameo.
Not Cameo because as a modern coin the standard has to be pretty high since almost all are DCAM. The breaks in the hair and the haze hold it back for me.
Yes, based on what’s showing.
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The fluorescent lighting causes a confusing contrast in the "spaghetti hair" and forehead.
The cameo fade can be seen by remapping the colors. The Frost Breaks
show identical contrast to the Control Field. Probably not a true Cameo but we all have seen worst graded CAM.
The frost breaks prevented this coin from receiving a "Cameo" designation. I think all the services want full frost on all the devices even out to the tips pf the design.
I said no..... the letters frost looks weak, and the frost breaks in the hair detract from full cameo...Cheers, RickO
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Frost break
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Close, but too much missing frost.
No. What is going on along his hairline? Is that a frost break?
Ugh. I just hate these images.
Can you adjust white balance, orient the image properly, and show us the entire coin?
Lance.
what a silly exercise in grading futility, is this how they do it at ____?? if both sides of a coin could be seen then perhaps a legitimate, objective opinion could be rendered.
Only from what I can see from your pic
Yes.
Missing frost where it's supposed to be = no cameo.
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It's a CAMEO 'cause modern proof Washington quarters are just about always CAMEO (or Deep Cameos). Look at the pop reports. Many dates have no appearances for non-cameos.
Dear Mr. Keets,
I'm one of the millions of numismatists (including ALMOST EVERYONE posting here) who can tell the date on a coin without needing to see its edge, or anything except for the numerals on a very small part of a coin. You should practice looking at coins closely to see what you can find on small parts of them. For example, if I wish to show an RPM, I'm not going to post an image of the entire coin. So you see, the point of this post was to let those folks with imagination know why a coin like this quarter did not receive a "Cameo" designation in spite of what the submitter thought he had when it was returned for a review. All that is needed is a small part of the coin to show areas of frost and no frost.
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Frost on the devices and mirrors in the field indicate cameo in my book.
I'd need to see it in hand but based on the pictures, I voted no.
Partly.....
This coin was purchased at the State Fair, and most of the coin was cut away to make into a pendant.
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Many older proof coins are fully cameo but TPG's choose not to grade cameo if they are toned dark. Some frost breaks are allowed so where is the consistency ?
Unfortunately, your book needs to be taken off the shelf and BURNED!
I recommend you read the comments from the numismatists and advanced collectors posting here about the difference between a coin with full frost (Cameo) and partial frost (not Cameo) because it may keep you from getting BURNED on the price of a coin that's not a full Cameo.
You have posted one of the most significant yet SILLY (I can't use the real "S" word) problems I've butted my pee brain with the "Ex-Perts" about. It is simply a case of "IT IS" but "I'TS NOT. Call in the clowns because If the degree of
contrast
on a TRUE FULLY Cameo or FULLY Deep Cameo is highly reduced by toning - wait for it. wait,...that Cameo or Deep Cameo coin IS NOT! Is that funny or what? Is it any wonder...
Thank you! if you would like, I'll send you a small group of micrographs showing tiny areas of a coin with a particular characteristic in each that you can practice on so you'll be more able to deal with next year's quiz and posts.
yes, you may send them over.
Great. Now, I think I'll share them with every one and I won't save them for a quiz.
To get a Cameo designation all of the frosted fields must be complete with no breaks on both sides. The coin above is not showing that.
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Please point me to those specific requirements. I have not seen them in print or in practice, in all cases. And I’m guessing you meant to write “devices” in place of “fields”.
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I took "frosted field" to mean the surface of the devices. Nevertheless, it is probably best to use the word "field" only for the surfaces around the raised devices. I like your suggestion.
Thank you, Kathy.
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@MFeld said: "Thank you, Kathy."
Actually, I go by "Hazel."
Here's the rub, though. The devices of Spaghetti Hairs are in such low relief that they aren't entirely raised from the field, especially after polishing.
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Here is a D cameo.
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What is cameo link. My lingos still developing but I have good eyes.
https://www.thesprucecrafts.com/cameo-cam-definition-768528
Edited to include page snap for those who can’t manage around link
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What I have been looking to purchase is the 2 coin Washington Gold set. Or at least the Proof. That set I believe to be a sleeper like real deep stage 5 Rem sleep
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The coin in the link you provided doesn't appear to comply with the full requirements you posted for the Cameo designation: “To get a Cameo designation all of the frosted fields must be complete with no breaks on both sides.”
The point I was and am trying to make is that the designation is not always as (pun intended) black and white as you made it out to be. Many coins which are designated Cameo lack complete frost/do show frost breaks on one or both sides.
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Depends on where you send it in for grading. I've seen some questionable looking coins being DCAM and/or MS70 in some of those other slabs.
Buy the coin and not the label?
Should it be a cameo? No because of the frost breaks; however, on a coin like this, no one is going to put much effort into it as anything less than DCAM is inferior and will trade for only a nominal premium over face. As such, I would not be surprised to see it in a cameo holder.
It gets even harder when you have a coin that doesn’t exactly show a specific place on design. Here a perfect example
Ignore my reflection in it. But Cameo or not cameo
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