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A neat addition to my Barber Half Exonumia Collection Opinions?
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This is pretty neat. My gut feeling almost wants to lead me to the French Foreign Legion. It has a stamp that says Pat. Nov 22 90. I couldn't imagine someone taking an XF-AU Barber Half in 1990 and doing this to it. That leads me to believe it is from 1890. Don't blast me as I don't even know when the French Foreign Legion was formed.
What do you guys and gals think the motive is for this?
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Looks stamped and engraved very cool no idea what it is
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/publishedset/209923
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/album/209923
A.A.O.N.M.S. for sure. I've handled one and have seen several other examples - not a common repousse at all.
Looks like the Shriner’s symbol to me....
Care to elaborate for the unkowing...as in me?
Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine (A.A.O.N.M.S.) -- the Shriners often seen in sub-sub-sub compact vehicles. A.A.O.N.M.S. is actually an anagram of A MASON and is one of the best known offshoots of the main Scottish and York Rite Masonic Orders.
Can’t get ray Stevens out of my head now.
Any idea of when they were made?
Is it possible that the piece of metal with the Patent stamp on it was part of a pin mechanism at one time?
Successful BST deals with mustangt and jesbroken. Now EVERYTHING is for sale.
It's contemporary with the half dollar, so 1909-ish. I think you're mis-reading the patent stamp and that it was actually patented in 1904.
That's why they call me the streak?
Great item.
I think the entire thing was die struck (even the "engraving").
The piece with the patent date does look added do maybe it was a piece of jewelry or other accessory at one time.
Nice! I never seen that piece before.
The Ali baba temple of the shrine....
Shriners convention
It is certainly not an Alibaba offering. The Half is real.
You might be right about that.
That is different....Certainly a piece I would keep if encountered...Those organizations did have coins/tokens along with other items... Used to be popular...guess they are still around, do not hear much about them anymore. Cheers, RickO
I'm surmising the lettering and dates stamped have something to do with a temple or lodge being chartered. Obviously this was created for the event after 1904.
It is on a 1909 Half!
Bottom line, it is simply a pop out or repousse' struck as an embossment the same as the common Liberty pop outs seen on all denominations of Barber coins as well as Morgan $1. These became popular as jewelry items around the turn of the last century and continued for a decade or more. There are also many thousands of modern strikes with different central devices on all types of coinage.
The first key to an original period strike is the presence of the patent bar as shown in the OP image. Although not all original period pieces have a patent bar, the presence of one greatly helps in dating the piece. A large number of Indian cents were popped out for the Louisiana Purchase Exposition and carry a 1904 patent bar (they come in both profile and head on designs - some attribute the head on designs to the 1907 Jamestown Expo). Teddy Roosevelt, Admiral Dewey and other figures of the period are known -- the neatest one I've ever seen was a full standing figure of J.P. Morgan with hat, top coat & walking stick on a silver dollar. Emblems such as the OP show up including the LOOM (Moose) & a relatively common rendition of the Alaska-Yukon-Pacific Exposition emblem on Barber halves. Expositions of the era seem to a popular place to sell these items as souvenirs.
It is not a specialty of mine but I've been fortunate to handle a good number of pieces through the years but just as with too many coins nowadays, there are tons of recent copies and fantasy pieces in the marketplace. A little study and some good guidance go a long way.
Which is EXACTLY why I stated **Obviously this was created for the event after 1904.
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Get it? Like, yeah, I realized it was a 1909 half, so the work was done well after 1904.
I cannot say what the patent date is, but I can say that a patented design, with the patent date, can be used long after the patent was granted.