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More toners from Mother Nature
Zoins
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Here are some recent additions by Mother Nature's Showroom. A pedigree would be useful to trace these in the future.
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They has a lot of nice toned coins.
there's that word again after a brief respite!!
to the tone, these coins will in fact tone in the original packaging as a result of storage, similar to the way that the Eisenhower Dollars in the GSA style packaging tone. they just don't usually look this vibrant "in-hand" which leads me to believe that the right angle at TV gives us this result. almost always they look hazed.
@Zoins Did a quick look of the cert #'s between and around those above. Look at 37589669 to 37589727. Washingtons, SBA's, and Commems in that group. A group of 60, all straight graded.
edynamicmarketing and their offshoot, mother_natures_showroom between them have over 14 thousand listings on ebay. Their "factory" must smell like a sulfur mine.
"It's not nice to fool Mother Nature!!".....
Cheers, RickO
In fact, for the Stack's coins........................
I find that to be true with almost every auction venue, not just Stack's.
Their "factory" must smell like a sulfur mine.
nothing at stake here for me, but not all their listing leave me with that impression which is why I like to see slab shots to check the insert color. it is a Hobby-wide phenomenon that pictures are usually used to show a coin's best assets.
@keets You have been defending this company for over a year when the topic comes up. Maybe this, could have that, it's the angle of the lighting. This was the same company from Orlando that we on the forum proved in 2015 that they had bought slabbed coins on ebay, and then relisted them weeks later toned in the slab. Hideously toned yes, but nonetheless toned without removing them from the slab. I've watched their presence grow on ebay to what is now a staggering offering. Yes, they have other items for sale. They will in fact, buy on occasion, naturally toned coins and relist them on their site. This helps to legitimize their business which is making money from toning coins. If you will take the time to review some of those consecutively numbered submissions in my post above, you will see the pattern. Please look at them and tell me what you think.
You have been defending this company for over a year when the topic comes up.
I have??
just so I understand: if I don't agree with your perception and state what I have seen and what my experience has taught me it means I am defending some company?? I don't see it that way.
Have to keep you on your toes
I use both. Here I picked PCGS's choice because I'm specifically talking about PCGS adding it to their coin tracking.
fair enough and I'm glad we can joke about it!!
It matters because of perceived value. If someone figures out how to tone Morgans with the same colors and elevation chromatics as the examples selling for thousands of dollars AND they produce thousands of them, won't that devalue all of them? In your example, 300 blue coins each produced in 3 hours will drive down the price of the existing population of blue coins that took 30 years to tone.
blues and browns are no bueno
Just went to their store on ebay, several thousand listings, almost all of them colorfully toned. How is that possible? Not........
It should matter, this is a total cop out to 'stop caring'. Yikes. Just IMHO...............
What I am saying is, that you have repeatedly given reasons for why these coins might not be AT. Yes, I have seen all types of government packaging causing all types of toning. If you will take the time to pull up the cert #'s above, maybe you will understand where I am coming from. The cert #'s above represent about 60 coins. I have provided PCGS groups of consecutive cert #'s that number over 1000 coins. I'm not just passively whining about it, but trying to change the status quo.
What I am saying is..........................
I'm well aware of what you're saying, there have been many, many threads not much different than this one. it just isn't anything that worries me and I see enough of this sellers listings on eBay to have a sense of what's taking place. I can usually just pass them by because they use recognizable templates in their listings. with that said, the biggest problem I see is that they have toned coins which don't look like the pictures in-hand unless the light is right.
So what? I own toned coins and don't want to see them devalued.
I don't want to own any artificial toning nor do I want to own any ugly natural toning.
Just curious, do you own any toned coins? What do you collect?
One reason I've heard or read that Artificial/Accelerated Toning can be bad is it can create an unstable situation - unpredictable - meaning someone can buy a certified and be very colorful and a few years later it has toned to something ugly/different.
Whereas naturally toned coins are more stable and predictable.
True or False or ?
Why would ANYONE want to own accelerated toned coins? I can tell the difference right away between accelerated toning and natural toned coins, at least with nickel. The color progression is wrong with these ugly false colored coins that garbage up the hobby that edynamicmarketing puts out there on the market and it should be a crime. This guy, or company, are completely destroying a lot of coins and destroying the hobby at the same time. Sure let’s ring a bell and celebrate this jackass for falsely coloring up coins.
My rant is over now.
Joe
Your absolutely wrong about your presumption that I can't tell the difference between
them. The fact that their coins looked different is what caused me to take notice in the first place. It was well after that when their offerings grew exponentially on eBay. If you want to classify all toned coins as artificial, that's your prerogative and your opinion. I believe that your view is in the extreme minority in the collecting community but you are entitled to it. You are one of those guys who loves to get in the last word. It's why I have had you gray for the last year. My mistake for opening up one of your comments.
Don't be so fast with Stack's images! Here is a medal as seen in Stack's auction catalog portrayed it:
And here's the PCGS TrueView (which actually shows how it looks in hand):
Not sure this is relevant to the conversation. You can in many cases determine accelerated toning on older coins versus toning that takes a long time. So again, I am not going to stop caring about doctoring even if others, like you don't care. BTW, I study volcanoes and their products - you don't want your coins anywhere near their products because there is more than sulfur in them - there are acids that would corrode them - but of course you knew that didn't you?
Take it easy, Al. We all like you.
Pete
keets didn't say "You have been defending this company for over a year when the topic comes up" someone else did, I quoted him.
I just noticed that PCGS showcased a coin that very much looks like a coin in the OP back in October. It's not the same coin but it looks similar.