Want to help fight numismatic crime - NCIC/ACEF is seeking counterfeit examples for police training
JohnnyCache
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Not sure if this has been discussed already, if so please forgive the redundant post, but I believe the cause to be beneficial to all of us involved in numismatics.
Per a brief notice on the Numismatic Bibliomania Society web site I saw the following message and thought it may be good to pass on to members here.
NCIC/ACEF is currently looking for counterfeit examples
NCIC/ACEF is currently looking for counterfeit examples of the following :
Silver and Gold Eagles
Boxed Silver and Gold Eagles (Unc, Proof,Boxes and Certificates)
US Mint product counterfeits
Carded gold/silver from any Mint (Pamps etc.,)
Silver rounds, bars etc.,
Numismatic Coins any denomination raw or slabbed
Counterfeit slabs PCGS/NGC
Donated examples will be used for Law Enforcement training programs.
Send To:
NCIC
P.O. Box 14080
Arlington, Texas 76094
I think it is a good idea to provide physical examples of fake coins to law enforcement. Certainly you could go onto eBay and likely find images of counterfeit coins but I think there is more to gained by handling and closely inspecting a physical example. I feel that exercise could greatly assist a law enforcement officer in becoming much more familiar with the traits and characteristics of counterfeit coinage than images alone.
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Excellent idea and worthy program....I hope they will use experienced numismatists as instructors along with the coins....That is a necessary component...Cheers, RickO
I have a small stack of china fake bust and pillar tokens sitting on my countertop that I can send
That's great Troy, certainly pillar coins are one of the most heavily counterfeited, as I know personally all too well.
Charles III Album
Charles III Portrait Set
Charles IV Album
Charles IV Portrait Set
Spanish Colonial Pillar Set
That is an excellent suggestions, one catch is the officers in the program need to be novices, officers who are collector's need to be avoided. The reason for this is that the officer/ collector, will at the a defense attorney, or even a prosecutor will make a request of the court that
the person be accepted as an "Expert Witness" when called to testify in the case, and few collector's are experts. it is a trap that can ruin a program like that. I have seen it happen in court and it never works out well.
I base this from 27 years of Law Enforcement having worked everything from Patrol to Investigation duty's in the District and State Attorney Generals Office.
Just an informed opinion.
TexasT
Fighting the Fight for 11 Years with the big "C" - Never Ever Give Up!
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@Texast ....I totally agree....Experts in the field need certified credentials and not just casual involvement. My involvement with security training, including police, support what you have seen. For everyone, including myself, I continue to recommend training, then more training, and then advanced training...not just for advanced competency, things change, and we cannot fight yesterdays wars tomorrow...Cheers, RickO