One way to get a fully struck 1921 peace dollar
scubafuel
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Make it a broadstrike! The coin is struck out of collar and the additional metal flow often results in a very impressive strike. One good illustration of this effect is up for auction at HA:
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Heritage pics are shown below. Check out that hair detail! check out the eagle's feathers!
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Interestingly, this is also a good way to get a 1945 FSB mercury dime...
Check your link. I get a home improvement site. Are you getting Heritage?
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That is beautiful. To bad i already know i dont have the funds for this one!!!
It is a beauty as far as detail goes.
Link below.
Donato
https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/1921-1-peace-dollar-broadstruck-out-of-collar-cleaning-pcgs-genuine-unc-details/p/1311-193001.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515
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Reminds me a lot of this one that just sold on eBay........
I had talked myself out of bidding on this coin until I came across this thread as I thought the hair detail was too good to be true and probably tooled. So I took a last minute shot, but came up the underbidder at $318.00. I could not find one on CoinFacts with this detailed a strike except the 1922 SP.
It seems too good.
It's a neat piece as I've held it in hand 3 times over the last 15 years in 3 different slabs. HA mentions the cleaning is from dipping, but sadly it's bright and lackluster dull from what appears to have been silver polish. If I could have gotten past the surface conditions I would have owned it long ago. Then again if it wasn't impaired the price would be considerably higher.
Wow!
Good to know!
That's truly amazing detail for a 1921 on both of those coins pictured.
The 1921 is actually supposed to look that good?
Whoda thunk it.
Pete
Off-Center Strikes also help create more definition
If there is to be a 2021 dollar commemorative, the Mint should buy this coin and take castings of the head and eagle to make their master dies and hubs from.
If you buy uncertified, you could be asking for trouble as images are often enhanced online; that one could have been improperly cleaned.
Nice strike.
Serious question ... how would a dollar being struck outside the collar lead to a stronger strike. My understanding, and I could be wrong, is a coin struck within a collar allows for the metal to flow back into the central recesses. A broadstruck coin has metal flowing out but no boundary (collar) to send the metal back to the center of the coin. Of course, that assumes the same pressure and same 'depth' to which the die strikes.
Is it that with some broadstruck coins the planchet sits higher in the coining chamber (e.g. on top of another planchet) and thus the effective distance the die has to move to strike the coin is shorter and results in a stronger strike?
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
My understanding is the die strikes to “pressure” not “depth”. So lack of collar allows for greater striking depth and better metal flow before the pressure of striking is reached.
I believe I've seen at least 4 of the supposed 6 known along with 1 off center and they are all have well struck center details. I've always thought of them more as die pressure set up strikes for a new design as there's far more 21 broadstrike and off center errors than just about all the other dates in the series combined.
I personally don't think the Mint is that smart.............................
Pete
Interesting idea, although in this case the planchet was not sitting on top of another planchet because then the reverse would be blank.
So, was the anvil die too high (failed to retract) or was the collar too low (got stuck to the anvil die and was pulled down as the anvil die retracted)? The collars were mounted on springs to minimize damage during collar clashes, and some vertical movement was possible though I do not know how much.
I like the idea of the anvil die being too high. Assuming that the hammer die traveled its normal path, that would put a lot of pressure on the planchet.
Well, at least let their computer scan the head and eagle!
Think of it this way: if there was no planchet between the dies during striking, would the dies touch?
That is amazing. This is raw AU I bought at a Mom and Pop shop back in the 90's and sold on feebay years ago. I always wondered how good the original strike was before circulation. Wish I still had this one. Better strike than many of my slabbed 63's.
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I think it is kind of neat to see all that detail on a 1921 Peace dollar.
I still would rather have the high relief bowl luster that these are known for. Thanks for sharing.
This is the best struck 1921 that i have been able to afford. Still on the hunt though.
The US Mint already has galvanos of the original (final) 1921 obverse and a couple different stages of the reverse.
Wow... some really nice '21 Peace Dollars... My search continues for one...Cheers, RickO