@AUandAG said:
Very deceptive....because people don't always read. Should have just taken them out of the album and sold as a lot of silver dimes with dates and mm's listed in description. Forget the album, it just confused the buyers/lookers.
bob
Agree with this. Why would you even place dimes with incorrect dates in the wrong spaces. That's just inviting trouble. And it's not like any of these coins in the incorrect spaces were in the buyer's favor.
That said, as a seller all you can do is offer a full refund. I would not enegage the buyer in an ongoing back and forth. But it's not surprising you received a negative imo.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
It's not deceptive if you read EVERYTHING, like the title, description and the sellers notes. BUT, if you just glance at the photos you get the impression that the dates that are filled are there as dated by the album.
@massscrew said:
Not deceptive.. some idiots just can't read! That's a lot of feedback for some moron to screw up over a $40 item..
It is not an outright lie, but it IS deceptive.
It shows coins without the dates visible and states that "most" are 1961 and 1962. It could easily have stated what the actual dates were. I'm not sure what the point of showing a picture of the reverse of a coin without the obverse. Personally, I would never even bid on such an auction - nor would most of the people on this board. This is the board where EVERY BLURRY PICTURE is believed to be fraudulent. People are siding with the OP out of familiarity. If you see just the back of a coin in a listing, don't you assume there must be a problem with the face?
"Deceptive" doesn't mean dishonest. But it would have been much clearer to simply state what dates were there.
Spot on imo.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
It's apparent here that 2800+ POSITIVE feedback means very little! I think at least it warrants a little more communication before hitting the NEGATIVE option. Obviously he has done something right 2800+ times! Right, wrong, deceptive, etc... WOW!
Contact EBay customer service and explain that you are a long time seller and you offered a refund. The few times I have called them they were understanding and helpful. You really have nothing to lose at this point. Good Luck
One should never post an Ebay listing leaving anything to misinterpretation, regardless of the prospective intelligence level of the prospective buyer. Clear,concise, specific suits one best. But I do understand your listing and what was in the offering.
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Intentional or not, your pictures paint a different picture of your offering than does your description. You are wasting your own time and the time of the successful bidder due to you confusing listing. This one is on you.
@BLUEJAYWAY said:
One should never post an Ebay listing leaving anything to misinterpretation, regardless of the prospective intelligence level of the prospective buyer. Clear,concise, specific suits one best. But I do understand your listing and what was in the offering.
Any moron would understand the auction....except this PhD moron!
@BLUEJAYWAY said:
One should never post an Ebay listing leaving anything to misinterpretation, regardless of the prospective intelligence level of the prospective buyer. Clear,concise, specific suits one best. But I do understand your listing and what was in the offering.
Any moron would understand the auction....except this PhD moron!
Seller’s listing was flawed and buyer is an idiot but this all could have been avoided with pictures matching the items listed and assuming there are lots of eBay buyers with below average intelligence.
I understand their side of it. If you dont know the seller, and dont hear the seller being totally reasonable, this sort of thing could be exploited for profit.
Although, it is silly that someone with a Ph.D. thinks that this sort of scam would only result in 1 negative feedback with over 1000 reviews. That's just silly, and poor logic. Most likely, it was an error not intended by the seller. I question what university would give someone clearly lacking proper rational thought a degree.
@Jinx86 said:
Buyers skipped the desc, call CS, they will remove it. I've had at least 10 removed this year. 10 out of 5500 ain't bad I guess.
If I were getting that many negatives, I would wonder what it is that I'M doing wrong. I do about 4000 sales per year and I get approximately ONE negative every 4 or 5 YEARS. That includes the roughly 50% that eBay removed.
The messages you received seem like feedback extortion, the buyer is mad at them self for not reading the description, thinking they scored a couple key dates they valued at $32 for $3.
If you sell on eBay, you will occasionally be exposed to crazies. Having a perfect 100% will be back in a year.
I sold a short set of UNC Lincolns in an older album having pictures of all pages. A nice set that went for like $60. The buyer was upset because the 1955 DDO was missing. Most people could see that in the picture. I said I could send them a 'poor mans double die', which I did. I got bad feedback.
Sounds like the buyer liked the coins, but not the price. The buyer could have filed a 'SNAD' claiming the images were deceptive and I bet would have received a refund including postage both ways. I think the comments earlier about wanting a partial refund may be right on target. He was passively waiting for the seller to offer the partial refund.
Oh ... and a Ph.D. is no guarantee of ... well ... anything.
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Of course,I knew what you were selling by the description, but ebay buyers don't read.
When I list an item that I'm not willing to package and ship (local pick-up only), I always get emails, "how much to ship to 90210?", "how much to ship to......."
I was selling a small "estate" once and sold a album about 1/3 full - was in a hurry and didn't realize all the coins had been glued into the album - got a neg w/o the buyer even contacting me!
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My Dad, raised on a Iowa farm, had a dumb joke about education.
BS - we all know what that is.
MS - More of the same.
phd - piled higher and deeper.
Sounds like the buyer fits the joke.
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@Cougar1978 said:
I find the situation unfortunate as you explained the situation plus he got a super deal.
I would suggest (for next time):
Leave these out of an album. The album is unnecessary in this transaction and weights down the package. I would ship them in flips.
A photo of coins in lot obv then rev photo in date / mm order. Use mult photos if necessary.
A listing by date / mm of coins / quantity for each.
The grade of the coins. Ex: 27 BU silver dimes.
The ASW of the lot.
Organization is key.
Make sure they can see each coin obv and reverse and be able to easily count them. A statement “you will get exactly the items pictured”. Helps
He got a good deal at $1.67 each- Redbook is $3 in ms 63 and $5 MS65.
In looking at estates - I have to quickly evaluate how many, what is total bullion wt / BV. Are they worn slick, decent circ, or ms. Any better dates. What is blue book...
@OPA said:
The way I would have listed this auction is: LOT of 27 silver dimes - $2.70 face - mostly 61 & 62's complimentary album pictured is included as a bonus. (take a picture of the album w/o the coins)
Agree, don't understand why you listed it the way you did. Sorry for your trouble but ???
Quick question,
If you did not want to appear deceptive why would you arrange such a convoluted picture to begin with.
If you had dimes you wanted to sell, and some extra folders you wanted to toss in for a "Nice Gift" you could have taken pictures of the dimes, pictures of the folders and sold them like that, got your money, been happy and probably got a nice feedback and a customer you might have added you as a favorite seller. But you chose to do what you did and it bit you.
If you play with fire expect to get burned.
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@Texast said:
Quick question,
If you did not want to appear deceptive why would you arrange such a convoluted picture to begin with.
If you had dimes you wanted to sell, and some extra folders you wanted to toss in for a "Nice Gift" you could have taken pictures of the dimes, pictures of the folders and sold them like that, got your money, been happy and probably got a nice feedback and a customer you might have added you as a favorite seller. But you chose to do what you did and it bit you.
If you play with fire expect to get burned.
Will Rodgers never met you did he.
Below posted earlier in this thread.
As far as the coins being in with the reverse up it was because originally the album was filled completely with the Roosevelts and Mercury Dimes that I had intentions to see if they would tone up. All of the coins were put into the album about a year ago. I should have taken the coins out of the album but I thought it would be nice for a buyer to get the album also.
Oh, ok I see, your just wanting your personal collection of silver dimes to tone fast.
I would hate to think you would artificially tone coins for sale in the future, which I don't think you would, knowing of coarse how all the A T coins out there have killed the market for truly beautiful toned coins.
Glad that's cleared up, I thought we were going to get into an ethics lesson here.
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The listing is deceptive. You should have listed how many coins of each date in the description. You note, "most of the coins probably are dated 1961 or 1962" You do not know the dates on the coins? When I read your listing, it is like you are playing the unsearched coin roll game with coins shown reverse up in the album.
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Agree with this. Why would you even place dimes with incorrect dates in the wrong spaces. That's just inviting trouble. And it's not like any of these coins in the incorrect spaces were in the buyer's favor.
That said, as a seller all you can do is offer a full refund. I would not enegage the buyer in an ongoing back and forth. But it's not surprising you received a negative imo.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
It's not deceptive if you read EVERYTHING, like the title, description and the sellers notes. BUT, if you just glance at the photos you get the impression that the dates that are filled are there as dated by the album.
Donato
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Buyer......John H. Arnold (the 'non-reader') with the Ph.D.???
How the heck did he accomplish that?
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Spot on imo.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
It's apparent here that 2800+ POSITIVE feedback means very little! I think at least it warrants a little more communication before hitting the NEGATIVE option. Obviously he has done something right 2800+ times! Right, wrong, deceptive, etc... WOW!
not deceptive but you did leave room for a buyer to not clearly understand what he would be receiving.
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Contact EBay customer service and explain that you are a long time seller and you offered a refund. The few times I have called them they were understanding and helpful. You really have nothing to lose at this point. Good Luck
Nut job, they guy got the coins for near melt.. You did nothing wrong in my opinion...
One should never post an Ebay listing leaving anything to misinterpretation, regardless of the prospective intelligence level of the prospective buyer. Clear,concise, specific suits one best. But I do understand your listing and what was in the offering.
Intentional or not, your pictures paint a different picture of your offering than does your description. You are wasting your own time and the time of the successful bidder due to you confusing listing. This one is on you.
OINK
Any moron would understand the auction....except this PhD moron!
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Seller’s listing was flawed and buyer is an idiot but this all could have been avoided with pictures matching the items listed and assuming there are lots of eBay buyers with below average intelligence.
This sucks Ken. Description is not 100% clear, but the buyer is still a idiot. They’re out there.
Dave
Buyers skipped the desc, call CS, they will remove it. I've had at least 10 removed this year. 10 out of 5500 ain't bad I guess.
I understand their side of it. If you dont know the seller, and dont hear the seller being totally reasonable, this sort of thing could be exploited for profit.
Although, it is silly that someone with a Ph.D. thinks that this sort of scam would only result in 1 negative feedback with over 1000 reviews. That's just silly, and poor logic. Most likely, it was an error not intended by the seller. I question what university would give someone clearly lacking proper rational thought a degree.
Minor Variety Trade dollar's with chop marks set:
More Than It's Chopped Up To Be
could offer him back how much "over" he paid on the coins given thinking they were semi-key dates... if you felt generous.
otherwise, just eat the neg. Ebay wont overturn it. I give you less than a 1% chance. But hey, still worth a shot, right?
Minor Variety Trade dollar's with chop marks set:
More Than It's Chopped Up To Be
I'm surprised so many people here are of the opinion that the seller did nothing wrong just.
The pictures can easily be misinterpreted. That's the seller's fault.
Must have the lowest IQ of all PhD holders
If I were getting that many negatives, I would wonder what it is that I'M doing wrong. I do about 4000 sales per year and I get approximately ONE negative every 4 or 5 YEARS. That includes the roughly 50% that eBay removed.
The messages you received seem like feedback extortion, the buyer is mad at them self for not reading the description, thinking they scored a couple key dates they valued at $32 for $3.
If you sell on eBay, you will occasionally be exposed to crazies. Having a perfect 100% will be back in a year.
I sold a short set of UNC Lincolns in an older album having pictures of all pages. A nice set that went for like $60. The buyer was upset because the 1955 DDO was missing. Most people could see that in the picture. I said I could send them a 'poor mans double die', which I did. I got bad feedback.
Sounds like the buyer liked the coins, but not the price. The buyer could have filed a 'SNAD' claiming the images were deceptive and I bet would have received a refund including postage both ways. I think the comments earlier about wanting a partial refund may be right on target. He was passively waiting for the seller to offer the partial refund.
Oh ... and a Ph.D. is no guarantee of ... well ... anything.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
Of course,I knew what you were selling by the description, but ebay buyers don't read.
When I list an item that I'm not willing to package and ship (local pick-up only), I always get emails, "how much to ship to 90210?", "how much to ship to......."
Buyer unhappy, full refund offered - case closed.
I'd call Ebay and ask for the neg to be removed.
I was selling a small "estate" once and sold a album about 1/3 full - was in a hurry and didn't realize all the coins had been glued into the album - got a neg w/o the buyer even contacting me!
My Dad, raised on a Iowa farm, had a dumb joke about education.
BS - we all know what that is.
MS - More of the same.
phd - piled higher and deeper.
Sounds like the buyer fits the joke.
This.
“27 total pieces. The coins in the album are not the same as the dates below the coin. "
Should have been in proper slot or no slot at all. Buyers should also ask you a question if any concern.
Agree, don't understand why you listed it the way you did. Sorry for your trouble but ???
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Pics of the obverse would have saved you this headache. Buyer isn't wrong here.
Quick question,
If you did not want to appear deceptive why would you arrange such a convoluted picture to begin with.
If you had dimes you wanted to sell, and some extra folders you wanted to toss in for a "Nice Gift" you could have taken pictures of the dimes, pictures of the folders and sold them like that, got your money, been happy and probably got a nice feedback and a customer you might have added you as a favorite seller. But you chose to do what you did and it bit you.
If you play with fire expect to get burned.
Will Rodgers never met you did he.
Fighting the Fight for 11 Years with the big "C" - Never Ever Give Up!
Member PCGS Open Forum board 2002 - 2006 (closed end of 2006) Current board since 2006 Successful trades with many members, over the past two decades, never a bad deal.
Below posted earlier in this thread.
As far as the coins being in with the reverse up it was because originally the album was filled completely with the Roosevelts and Mercury Dimes that I had intentions to see if they would tone up. All of the coins were put into the album about a year ago. I should have taken the coins out of the album but I thought it would be nice for a buyer to get the album also.
Ken
@Fairlaneman said
Oh, ok I see, your just wanting your personal collection of silver dimes to tone fast.
I would hate to think you would artificially tone coins for sale in the future, which I don't think you would, knowing of coarse how all the A T coins out there have killed the market for truly beautiful toned coins.
Glad that's cleared up, I thought we were going to get into an ethics lesson here.
😁 Smile, life's too short to worry.
Fighting the Fight for 11 Years with the big "C" - Never Ever Give Up!
Member PCGS Open Forum board 2002 - 2006 (closed end of 2006) Current board since 2006 Successful trades with many members, over the past two decades, never a bad deal.
The listing is deceptive. You should have listed how many coins of each date in the description. You note, "most of the coins probably are dated 1961 or 1962" You do not know the dates on the coins? When I read your listing, it is like you are playing the unsearched coin roll game with coins shown reverse up in the album.