Do these look like they are from the same die?
dbldie55
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These are both 1884 Liberty Nickels. This is just the date portion of each from a True View image.
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With what limited information know about this sort of thing, I think it’s possible.
The detail on each coin looks sufficient to make a decision, but may need to see the whole thing to be sure.
If the master hub was doubled. Wouldn’t every die looks the same? I need to get more education.
I guess I mean every die made from that hub.
This is not how all 1884 nickels look, so not sure it could be the master die. I have seen many with dates that look like this. The cherry picker variety is a different die as well.
The inside of the top loop of the second date is different. I don't think additional polishing would have removed the strong outline.
I think it would be impossible to have two doubled dies that were practically identical.
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It is a little bit hard to tell if the date positions are the same, because some of the dentils were cropped out.
I also took the liberty of "straightening" each photo so the tops of 1 and 4 are level.
Looks possible to me that they are both from the same die, and it's an RPD 1 S 8 N.
Yes please, please show the denticles better.
These are not the same die. The date position/denticales is clear under the one. I edited out these are probably RPD's from my first post.
Is the date on the hub on Liberty Nickels?
All the (20) 1884 business strike photos on CoinFacts appear to have the same date position.
Here is an array of the date area (with photos straightened by making the centers of stars 3 and 11 level),
for 3 coins attributed to FS-301 by PCGS.
It appears the underdigit positions are different on each, and different from the photos posted by @dbldie55 .
Does this mean the date was on the hub, and then repunched by hand using a 4 digit gang punch sometimes?
Is there sometimes strike/shelf doubling that affects some digits and not others?
Only one of these matches the FS-301 from the Cherry Pickers guide (I owned all 3 of these at one time, and submitted 2 of them)
Over the weekend I was going to look at 1884 FS-301 proof coins and see if the die seems to match the business strike coins. While looking through all of the proof images I have, I found a different re-punched date on a lot of them. I was comparing that to some of the re-punched date business strikes I have seen.
The top coin is an AU 58, while the bottom is a PR66DC
Link to PR66 image: https://images.pcgs.com/CoinFacts/84164936_max.png
Link to AU58 Image: https://images.pcgs.com/TrueView/35401736_max.jpg
Here is a comparison image of the date on a business strike and proof FS-301 coin.
They do look different... most notable to me is the top, inside loop of the second 8....Cheers, RickO
@dbldie55 said:
These two look the same to me. Remember, often Proof dies were used to strike MS coins.