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I made a large submission of NGC coins to PCGS for crossover......I will post a few over time.

bidaskbidask Posts: 14,008 ✭✭✭✭✭
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You might be wondering why I attempted to cross so many NGC coins.

My reasoning for this is that if both services gave the same grade or better ( + ) then I could be more confident about the coins grade and ask more when I sell.

Here is one that did...a top pop .......MS 67.

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I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




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  • ExbritExbrit Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭✭

    sounds risky - given the cross over fees.

  • ShadyDaveShadyDave Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Exbrit said:
    sounds risky - given the cross over fees.

    While I agree, there’s a quarterly special for crossovers for certain “world” countries, but it can get expensive fast!

  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think that P to N or vice versa, that they seem to NOT give the break and will leave it alone....

    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,008 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @7Jaguars said:
    I think that P to N or vice versa, that they seem to NOT give the break and will leave it alone....

    I had about 80% success rate .

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • Bob13Bob13 Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Was thinking about doing the same. Looking forward to seeing more results.

    My current "Box of 20"

  • WCCWCC Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I haven't heard that PCGS is generally preferred in world coinage.

    I find the coins in PCGS holders to be generally better for pillar 8R but more mixed for the other denominations since the population counts are so much lower. A lot of mediocre pillar 8R in NGC holders. I consider most of my pillar minors (almost exclusively in NGC holders) to be quite nice but I haven't seen very many PCGS coins for sale that I see listed in the population report. I'd definitely like to have a shot at buying them if upgrades.

    Don't know about Mexico generally.

    Make sure you send the labels back to NGC before you sell your coins.

  • Senator32Senator32 Posts: 406 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice results...that 1863-Mo in 66 made me whistle :smile:

  • MyWorldCoinTypeSetMyWorldCoinTypeSet Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭

    @7Jaguars said:
    I think that P to N or vice versa, that they seem to NOT give the break and will leave it alone....

    I have made 3 crossover submissions over the years. Went 17/20 on the first, 10/11 on the second, and 11/11 on the third. Overall that's 38 crosses on 42 attempts, or just over 90%.

    I really like that Oaxaca Peso. Keep the pictures coming.

    Paul

    My World Coin Type Set
  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,655 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Keep 'em coming, Dan!


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  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,008 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS 64

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • jgennjgenn Posts: 742 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So what's your percentage on crossover upgrades?

    Amazing 8s * Silver Dollars of '60 * My World Crown Affair
  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,008 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This coin crossed from an ICG holder ! You never know.

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,008 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jgenn said:
    So what's your percentage on crossover upgrades?

    About 80 %

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • PhilLynottPhilLynott Posts: 887 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Love that peso great coin

  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow, that is quite a specimen of peso there!

    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • jgennjgenn Posts: 742 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bidask said:

    @jgenn said:
    So what's your percentage on crossover upgrades?

    About 80 %

    Wow, 80% upgrades! I've had some luck with the few crossover from ATS to here but I mostly cross in the other direction and I've never gotten an upgrade in that direction.

    Amazing 8s * Silver Dollars of '60 * My World Crown Affair
  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,655 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jgenn said:

    @bidask said:

    @jgenn said:
    So what's your percentage on crossover upgrades?

    About 80 %

    Wow, 80% upgrades! I've had some luck with the few crossover from ATS to here but I mostly cross in the other direction and I've never gotten an upgrade in that direction.

    That can't be right - i think it's 80% cross-over at grade or higher. @bidask ?


    8 Reales Madness Collection
  • YorkshiremanYorkshireman Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Didn’t he say 80% at grade?

    Yorkshireman,Obsessed collector of round, metallic pieces of history.Hunting for Latin American colonial portraits plus cool US & British coins.
  • jgennjgenn Posts: 742 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Perhaps I did not make my question clear but, @bidask, if you don't mind, I'm interested in knowing the percentage of your crossovers that got a higher grade here then the grade assigned ATS.

    Amazing 8s * Silver Dollars of '60 * My World Crown Affair
  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,008 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jgenn said:
    Perhaps I did not make my question clear but, @bidask, if you don't mind, I'm interested in knowing the percentage of your crossovers that got a higher grade here then the grade assigned ATS.

    Yes I misunderstood

    Regards your question perhaps 4% .

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • jgennjgenn Posts: 742 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 27, 2019 4:05PM

    Thanks for your answer, @bidask. That seems reasonable. I really, really hope dark side grading remains consistent across the TPGs.

    Amazing 8s * Silver Dollars of '60 * My World Crown Affair
  • Senator32Senator32 Posts: 406 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All great coins but that 1808 Lima 8 Reales is just awesome....and has some gnarly clash marks.

  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,008 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Senator32 said:
    All great coins but that 1808 Lima 8 Reales is just awesome....and has some gnarly clash marks.

    The surfaces are sublime and best I’ve seen on any peruvian 8 reales of that type!

    Thanks for noticing .

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,008 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Really nice toning on this one ... a pop 2

    https://images.pcgs.com/TrueView/38090831_max.jpg

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,008 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This one did not cross

    Very deep toning

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,008 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 28, 2019 5:44AM

    Upgraded to PCGS with a plus designation:

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,008 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 27, 2019 7:49PM

    This one did not cross .

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    These are all so beautiful glad you crossed/posted them all as you did.

    The 1867MO looks questionable to me, I can't put my finger on it. Sort of too nice, the toning looks like artwork did you see that or does it look differently in hand?

    The 1878DO that did NOT cross is a mystery, its a true gem, Love it.

  • ZoharZohar Posts: 6,636 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bidask - amazing selection for an awesome collection.

    Habsburg Talers
    Taler Custom Set
    Ancient Custom Set


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