Rough in pointing out that you could still enjoy the coin and sav> @basetsb said:
you guys are pretty rough today.
No intent to be tough. Just pointing out that at that (or even the next grade level), the cost of grading and postage would be more than any added value to the coin. But as another poster pointed out, what matters is if you’re happy with it. Enjoy.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
All I see is a coin with problems that PCGS called correctly so you send to ngc to get a straight grade. This just about says it all about the hobby (to some) and ngc.
@DIMEMAN said:
All I see is a coin with problems that PCGS called correctly so you send to ngc to get a straight grade. This just about says it all about the hobby (to some) and ngc.
Do you say the same about the hobby and PCGS when NGC details coins get into straight grade PCGS holders ? Or do you cover your eyes and pretend otherwise when that happens?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@DIMEMAN said:
All I see is a coin with problems that PCGS called correctly so you send to ngc to get a straight grade. This just about says it all about the hobby (to some) and ngc.
Do you say the same about the hobby and PCGS when NGC details coins get into straight grade PCGS holders ? Or do you cover your eyes and pretend otherwise when that happens?
I have never had that happen. Actually I have never even tried to do that. The thing is that there is a reason PCGS is # 1.
@DIMEMAN said:
All I see is a coin with problems that PCGS called correctly so you send to ngc to get a straight grade. This just about says it all about the hobby (to some) and ngc.
Do you say the same about the hobby and PCGS when NGC details coins get into straight grade PCGS holders ? Or do you cover your eyes and pretend otherwise when that happens?
I have never had that happen. Actually I have never even tried to do that. The thing is that there is a reason PCGS is # 1.
Plenty of other people have, and if you weren’t already aware of it, you should get out more.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@DIMEMAN said:
All I see is a coin with problems that PCGS called correctly so you send to ngc to get a straight grade. This just about says it all about the hobby (to some) and ngc.
Do you say the same about the hobby and PCGS when NGC details coins get into straight grade PCGS holders ? Or do you cover your eyes and pretend otherwise when that happens?
I have never had that happen. Actually I have never even tried to do that. The thing is that there is a reason PCGS is # 1.
Plenty of other people have, and if you weren’t already aware of it, you should get out more.
Thanks Mark, I get out plenty.....enough to know that PCGS is the slab where good coins go to stay! Have a good day.
@DIMEMAN said:
All I see is a coin with problems that PCGS called correctly so you send to ngc to get a straight grade. This just about says it all about the hobby (to some) and ngc.
Do you say the same about the hobby and PCGS when NGC details coins get into straight grade PCGS holders ? Or do you cover your eyes and pretend otherwise when that happens?
I have never had that happen. Actually I have never even tried to do that. The thing is that there is a reason PCGS is # 1.
I’ve had that scenario happen plenty of times. One example from NGC Env Damage to PCGS straight grade.
@DIMEMAN said:
All I see is a coin with problems that PCGS called correctly so you send to ngc to get a straight grade. This just about says it all about the hobby (to some) and ngc.
Do you say the same about the hobby and PCGS when NGC details coins get into straight grade PCGS holders ? Or do you cover your eyes and pretend otherwise when that happens?
I have never had that happen. Actually I have never even tried to do that. The thing is that there is a reason PCGS is # 1.
I’ve had that scenario happen plenty of times. One example from NGC Env Damage to PCGS straight grade.
I will take PCGS's opinion over ngc EVERY TIME...…..so does the MARKET!!!
@DIMEMAN said:
All I see is a coin with problems that PCGS called correctly so you send to ngc to get a straight grade. This just about says it all about the hobby (to some) and ngc.
Do you say the same about the hobby and PCGS when NGC details coins get into straight grade PCGS holders ? Or do you cover your eyes and pretend otherwise when that happens?
I have never had that happen. Actually I have never even tried to do that. The thing is that there is a reason PCGS is # 1.
I’ve had that scenario happen plenty of times. One example from NGC Env Damage to PCGS straight grade.
I will take PCGS's opinion over ngc EVERY TIME...…..so does the MARKET!!!
Which PCGS opinion do you take when a PCGS coin is regraded and grades higher?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@DIMEMAN said:
All I see is a coin with problems that PCGS called correctly so you send to ngc to get a straight grade. This just about says it all about the hobby (to some) and ngc.
Do you say the same about the hobby and PCGS when NGC details coins get into straight grade PCGS holders ? Or do you cover your eyes and pretend otherwise when that happens?
I have never had that happen. Actually I have never even tried to do that. The thing is that there is a reason PCGS is # 1.
I’ve had that scenario happen plenty of times. One example from NGC Env Damage to PCGS straight grade.
I will take PCGS's opinion over ngc EVERY TIME...…..so does the MARKET!!!
Which PCGS opinion do you take when a PCGS coin is regraded and grades higher?
You're what is called a "stirrer". You like to pick and choose to help and try to make "your" point. Sticking to this thread......the coin in the OP clearly has scratches and should be in a detail holder as stated by PCGS. It's still the same problem coin in a ngc straight holder. And when/if the OP goes to sell this coin I sure hope the buyer knows what he is getting.
@DIMEMAN said:
All I see is a coin with problems that PCGS called correctly so you send to ngc to get a straight grade. This just about says it all about the hobby (to some) and ngc.
Do you say the same about the hobby and PCGS when NGC details coins get into straight grade PCGS holders ? Or do you cover your eyes and pretend otherwise when that happens?
I have never had that happen. Actually I have never even tried to do that. The thing is that there is a reason PCGS is # 1.
I’ve had that scenario happen plenty of times. One example from NGC Env Damage to PCGS straight grade.
I will take PCGS's opinion over ngc EVERY TIME...…..so does the MARKET!!!
Which PCGS opinion do you take when a PCGS coin is regraded and grades higher?
You're what is called a "stirrer". You like to pick and choose to help and try to make "your" point. Sticking to this thread......the coin in the OP clearly has scratches and should be in a detail holder as stated by PCGS. It's still the same problem coin in a ngc straight holder. And when/if the OP goes to sell this coin I sure hope the buyer knows what he is getting.
Yes, the coin clearly has scratches. And scratches are apparent on a great many coins graded mint state by both PCGS and NGC. As I have posted on multiple occasions, often, the decision whether to assign a straight grade vs. a details grade is as or more difficult/subjective than the decision as to what straight grade to assign to a problem-free coin.
Both PCGS and NGC have graded countless coins higher than the one another and both have straight-graded many coins that the other has details-graded. But your posts make it appear that you don't understand or acknowledge those facts.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@DIMEMAN said:
All I see is a coin with problems that PCGS called correctly so you send to ngc to get a straight grade. This just about says it all about the hobby (to some) and ngc.
Do you say the same about the hobby and PCGS when NGC details coins get into straight grade PCGS holders ? Or do you cover your eyes and pretend otherwise when that happens?
I have never had that happen. Actually I have never even tried to do that. The thing is that there is a reason PCGS is # 1.
I’ve had that scenario happen plenty of times. One example from NGC Env Damage to PCGS straight grade.
I will take PCGS's opinion over ngc EVERY TIME...…..so does the MARKET!!!
Which PCGS opinion do you take when a PCGS coin is regraded and grades higher?
You're what is called a "stirrer". You like to pick and choose to help and try to make "your" point. Sticking to this thread......the coin in the OP clearly has scratches and should be in a detail holder as stated by PCGS. It's still the same problem coin in a ngc straight holder. And when/if the OP goes to sell this coin I sure hope the buyer knows what he is getting.
Yes, the coin clearly has scratches. And scratches are apparent on a great many coins graded mint state by both PCGS and NGC. As I have posted on multiple occasions, often, the decision whether to assign a straight grade vs. a details grade is as or more difficult/subjective than the decision as to what straight grade to assign to a problem-free coin.
Both PCGS and NGC have graded countless coins higher than the one another and both have straight-graded many coins that the other has details-graded. But your posts make it appear that you don't understand or acknowledge those facts.
I completely understand and agree with what you are saying. I just feel that PCGS makes fewer mistakes than ngc. Also are you counting hairlines the same as scratches. Are smaller scratches looked at differently. Does the location of said scratch affect weather or not a detail grade is given. These are all questions that I am sure come into play. Also older coins like Bust coins are given more leeway. Bottom line to me is I prefer PCGS over ngc. If I see a coin I like and need in a ngc holder I will of course buy it and then cross to PCGS.
@DIMEMAN said:
All I see is a coin with problems that PCGS called correctly so you send to ngc to get a straight grade. This just about says it all about the hobby (to some) and ngc.
Do you say the same about the hobby and PCGS when NGC details coins get into straight grade PCGS holders ? Or do you cover your eyes and pretend otherwise when that happens?
I have never had that happen. Actually I have never even tried to do that. The thing is that there is a reason PCGS is # 1.
I’ve had that scenario happen plenty of times. One example from NGC Env Damage to PCGS straight grade.
I will take PCGS's opinion over ngc EVERY TIME...…..so does the MARKET!!!
Which PCGS opinion do you take when a PCGS coin is regraded and grades higher?
You're what is called a "stirrer". You like to pick and choose to help and try to make "your" point. Sticking to this thread......the coin in the OP clearly has scratches and should be in a detail holder as stated by PCGS. It's still the same problem coin in a ngc straight holder. And when/if the OP goes to sell this coin I sure hope the buyer knows what he is getting.
Yes, the coin clearly has scratches. And scratches are apparent on a great many coins graded mint state by both PCGS and NGC. As I have posted on multiple occasions, often, the decision whether to assign a straight grade vs. a details grade is as or more difficult/subjective than the decision as to what straight grade to assign to a problem-free coin.
Both PCGS and NGC have graded countless coins higher than the one another and both have straight-graded many coins that the other has details-graded. But your posts make it appear that you don't understand or acknowledge those facts.
I completely understand and agree with what you are saying. I just feel that PCGS makes fewer mistakes than ngc. Also are you counting hairlines the same as scratches. Are smaller scratches looked at differently. Does the location of said scratch affect weather or not a detail grade is given. These are all questions that I am sure come into play. Also older coins like Bust coins are given more leeway. Bottom line to me is I prefer PCGS over ngc. If I see a coin I like and need in a ngc holder I will of course buy it and then cross to PCGS.
I generally distinguish hairlines from scratches. Smaller scratches can be looked at differently from larger ones and their placement and conspicuousness make a difference, as well. I agree about older coins being given more leeway and I feel the same about ultra rarities. It looks as if we don’t disagree about everything.😉
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I will take PCGS's opinion over ngc EVERY TIME...…..so does the MARKET!!!
Right on. Much more consistent and less forgiving than NGC. There's a reason why the late night coin show guys peddle NGC exclusively. This is, of course, my opinion and preference.
On the subject, and the Morgan, obviously the man is happy with what he got. Is that any different than the enjoyment of guy who possesses a million dollar Morgan? In other words everything else is just an opinion.
@DIMEMAN said:
All I see is a coin with problems that PCGS called correctly so you send to ngc to get a straight grade. This just about says it all about the hobby (to some) and ngc.
Do you say the same about the hobby and PCGS when NGC details coins get into straight grade PCGS holders ? Or do you cover your eyes and pretend otherwise when that happens?
I have never had that happen. Actually I have never even tried to do that. The thing is that there is a reason PCGS is # 1.
It happens. Accept the fact, or don't- it's up to you.
@DIMEMAN said:
All I see is a coin with problems that PCGS called correctly so you send to ngc to get a straight grade. This just about says it all about the hobby (to some) and ngc.
Do you say the same about the hobby and PCGS when NGC details coins get into straight grade PCGS holders ? Or do you cover your eyes and pretend otherwise when that happens?
I have never had that happen. Actually I have never even tried to do that. The thing is that there is a reason PCGS is # 1.
It happens. Accept the fact, or don't- it's up to you.
PCGS could make a public statement saying that they make mistakes and dimeman would refute it; he is that immersed in the koolaid.
@DIMEMAN said:
All I see is a coin with problems that PCGS called correctly so you send to ngc to get a straight grade. This just about says it all about the hobby (to some) and ngc.
Do you say the same about the hobby and PCGS when NGC details coins get into straight grade PCGS holders ? Or do you cover your eyes and pretend otherwise when that happens?
I have never had that happen. Actually I have never even tried to do that. The thing is that there is a reason PCGS is # 1.
It happens. Accept the fact, or don't- it's up to you.
PCGS could make a public statement saying that they make mistakes and dimeman would refute it; he is that immersed in the koolaid.
It's not koolaid……..it's a fact! PCGS is better that ngc!
There are two kinds of collectors- those who judge a coin based on the condition of the coin and those who judge them based on the plastic that surrounds them.
@DIMEMAN said:
All I see is a coin with problems that PCGS called correctly so you send to ngc to get a straight grade. This just about says it all about the hobby (to some) and ngc.
Do you say the same about the hobby and PCGS when NGC details coins get into straight grade PCGS holders ? Or do you cover your eyes and pretend otherwise when that happens?
I have never had that happen. Actually I have never even tried to do that. The thing is that there is a reason PCGS is # 1.
It happens. Accept the fact, or don't- it's up to you.
PCGS could make a public statement saying that they make mistakes and dimeman would refute it; he is that immersed in the koolaid.
It's not koolaid……..it's a fact! PCGS is better that ngc!
@DIMEMAN said:
All I see is a coin with problems that PCGS called correctly so you send to ngc to get a straight grade. This just about says it all about the hobby (to some) and ngc.
Do you say the same about the hobby and PCGS when NGC details coins get into straight grade PCGS holders ? Or do you cover your eyes and pretend otherwise when that happens?
I have never had that happen. Actually I have never even tried to do that. The thing is that there is a reason PCGS is # 1.
It happens. Accept the fact, or don't- it's up to you.
PCGS could make a public statement saying that they make mistakes and dimeman would refute it; he is that immersed in the koolaid.
It's not koolaid……..it's a fact! PCGS is better that ngc!
From a scratched, details coin in a PCGS holder to a problem free NGC holder. Everyone has an opinion. Was the "scratch" caused by a staple on the cheek? If you like it, that is what matters.
oih82w8 = Oh I Hate To Wait _defectus patientia_aka...Dr. Defecto - Curator of RMO's
@oih82w8 said:
From a scratched, details coin in a PCGS holder to a problem free NGC holder. Everyone has an opinion. Was the "scratch" caused by a staple on the cheek? If you like it, that is what matters.
It's a 'scrape' of some kind. Something scraped it while it was on the end of the roll. Perhaps another coin?
@oih82w8 said:
From a scratched, details coin in a PCGS holder to a problem free NGC holder. Everyone has an opinion. Was the "scratch" caused by a staple on the cheek? If you like it, that is what matters.
@oih82w8 said:
From a scratched, details coin in a PCGS holder to a problem free NGC holder. Everyone has an opinion. Was the "scratch" caused by a staple on the cheek? If you like it, that is what matters.
I was simply going by CoinFacts description;
oih82w8 = Oh I Hate To Wait _defectus patientia_aka...Dr. Defecto - Curator of RMO's
I collect toned lincolns and if u based value off price guide a lot of people on here would look at me being crazy if they saw that I have a set I’m assembling in pcgs holders with images. That’s my way of enjoying them. I take pride in buying what I like and protecting them how I like. I believe @basetsb is doing just that.
I saw some comments about sending it across the street. It’s about the same thing as me sending something to pcgs to get graded when ngc doesn’t grade it. It’s just a way and I don’t believe it’s wrong unless it’s something very wrong. Of course this part of comment may get buried. Keep doing what you like @basetsb
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Hmm... interesting triangle toning. Or, lack of...
Morgan The Grey?
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
Personally I would've dipped her between the slab change.
Guess the nasty does help conceal the details scratches. Congrats!
Curiously, why did you get it graded?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Because it looks cool
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It would also look cool raw, in an airtite, or flip.
However, as an extremely minor shareholder in TPG grading services, I encourage submissions.
It would, indeed, also look good out of the holder, especially accompanied by $30+ in saved grading fees and postage.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
you guys are pretty rough today.
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As long as you are happy, that's all that matters!
He went from a details holder to a MS63, not a bad upgrade, yeah I know common date and grade not worth the fees financially.
Now if he can just get a cac sticker on it some clown will probably give him $500 for it on ebay. lol
Nice coin. Congrats
True, but I’m the sort of guy that might buy a slabbed coin and crack it out to put it in a Dansco 7070.
theres nothing wrong with that
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The grade was consistent:

Nice coin. Looks like she’s wearing one of those Coolie hats.
Rough in pointing out that you could still enjoy the coin and sav> @basetsb said:
No intent to be tough. Just pointing out that at that (or even the next grade level), the cost of grading and postage would be more than any added value to the coin. But as another poster pointed out, what matters is if you’re happy with it. Enjoy.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
So originally in NGC holder then PCGS details then back to NGC straight grade ?
Someone say happiness is free money?
All I see is a coin with problems that PCGS called correctly so you send to ngc to get a straight grade. This just about says it all about the hobby (to some) and ngc.
Devo
Me and my Arrow...
Do you say the same about the hobby and PCGS when NGC details coins get into straight grade PCGS holders ? Or do you cover your eyes and pretend otherwise when that happens?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I have never had that happen. Actually I have never even tried to do that. The thing is that there is a reason PCGS is # 1.

Plenty of other people have, and if you weren’t already aware of it, you should get out more.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Thanks Mark, I get out plenty.....enough to know that PCGS is the slab where good coins go to stay!
Have a good day. 
I’ve had that scenario happen plenty of times. One example from NGC Env Damage to PCGS straight grade.
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I will take PCGS's opinion over ngc EVERY TIME...…..so does the MARKET!!!
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Which PCGS opinion do you take when a PCGS coin is regraded and grades higher?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
You're what is called a "stirrer". You like to pick and choose to help and try to make "your" point. Sticking to this thread......the coin in the OP clearly has scratches and should be in a detail holder as stated by PCGS. It's still the same problem coin in a ngc straight holder. And when/if the OP goes to sell this coin I sure hope the buyer knows what he is getting.
That it does!
Yes, the coin clearly has scratches. And scratches are apparent on a great many coins graded mint state by both PCGS and NGC. As I have posted on multiple occasions, often, the decision whether to assign a straight grade vs. a details grade is as or more difficult/subjective than the decision as to what straight grade to assign to a problem-free coin.
Both PCGS and NGC have graded countless coins higher than the one another and both have straight-graded many coins that the other has details-graded. But your posts make it appear that you don't understand or acknowledge those facts.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I completely understand and agree with what you are saying. I just feel that PCGS makes fewer mistakes than ngc. Also are you counting hairlines the same as scratches. Are smaller scratches looked at differently. Does the location of said scratch affect weather or not a detail grade is given. These are all questions that I am sure come into play. Also older coins like Bust coins are given more leeway. Bottom line to me is I prefer PCGS over ngc. If I see a coin I like and need in a ngc holder I will of course buy it and then cross to PCGS.
I generally distinguish hairlines from scratches. Smaller scratches can be looked at differently from larger ones and their placement and conspicuousness make a difference, as well. I agree about older coins being given more leeway and I feel the same about ultra rarities. It looks as if we don’t disagree about everything.😉
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Right on. Much more consistent and less forgiving than NGC. There's a reason why the late night coin show guys peddle NGC exclusively. This is, of course, my opinion and preference.
On the subject, and the Morgan, obviously the man is happy with what he got. Is that any different than the enjoyment of guy who possesses a million dollar Morgan? In other words everything else is just an opinion.
It happens. Accept the fact, or don't- it's up to you.
PCGS could make a public statement saying that they make mistakes and dimeman would refute it; he is that immersed in the koolaid.
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Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
It's not koolaid……..it's a fact! PCGS is better that ngc!
There are two kinds of collectors- those who judge a coin based on the condition of the coin and those who judge them based on the plastic that surrounds them.
Certainly is interesting!
Collector, occasional seller
I totally agree with you.
From a scratched, details coin in a PCGS holder to a problem free NGC holder. Everyone has an opinion. Was the "scratch" caused by a staple on the cheek? If you like it, that is what matters.
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It's a 'scrape' of some kind. Something scraped it while it was on the end of the roll. Perhaps another coin?
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Far out far East toning.
Enjoy
Nice wizard. Just in time for Halloween
It looks like the Lady is wearing a tin foil hat.
I was simply going by CoinFacts description;
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I collect toned lincolns and if u based value off price guide a lot of people on here would look at me being crazy if they saw that I have a set I’m assembling in pcgs holders with images. That’s my way of enjoying them. I take pride in buying what I like and protecting them how I like. I believe @basetsb is doing just that.
I saw some comments about sending it across the street. It’s about the same thing as me sending something to pcgs to get graded when ngc doesn’t grade it. It’s just a way and I don’t believe it’s wrong unless it’s something very wrong. Of course this part of comment may get buried. Keep doing what you like @basetsb
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