The Ultimate Rattler collection

jabba · October 22, 2019 11:40AM

List list list list list!

Walkerfan · October 22, 2019 11:46AM

I don't care for rattlers but I love it, when there are beautiful, fresh coins inside of them.

However, I DO like OGHs and NGC Fatties.

I don't mind, if an old holder is stickered. The only problem, in this instance, is that we will KNOW that a coin has failed, if it doesn't have one, as they are all being submitted to CAC.

I would still buy a coin like that, if I liked it enough and, if the price was in line.

Crusty · October 22, 2019 1:00PM

Any Seated or Trade dollars?

Senator32 · October 22, 2019 2:17PM

@ianrussell Amazing! I look forward to bidding on a few lots. Tell me....any proof seated quarters in the lot?

ianrussell · October 22, 2019 7:53PM

@Senator32 said:
@ianrussell Amazing! I look forward to bidding on a few lots. Tell me....any proof seated quarters in the lot?

Oh yes, there's rare proof seated quarters in old holders. I don't have images of those yet.

Ian

DelawareDoons · October 22, 2019 10:08PM

@ianrussell said:

@Senator32 said:
@ianrussell Amazing! I look forward to bidding on a few lots. Tell me....any proof seated quarters in the lot?

Oh yes, there's rare proof seated quarters in old holders. I don't have images of those yet.

Ian

Is there anything for the commoners in this collection?

ianrussell · October 23, 2019 9:34AM

@DelawareDoons said:

@ianrussell said:

@Senator32 said:
@ianrussell Amazing! I look forward to bidding on a few lots. Tell me....any proof seated quarters in the lot?

Oh yes, there's rare proof seated quarters in old holders. I don't have images of those yet.

Ian

Is there anything for the commoners in this collection?

Yes, coins of all price ranges.

Ian

oih82w8 · October 23, 2019 9:54AM

Looking forward to seeing these "out of sight" coins.

DIMEMAN · October 23, 2019 10:35AM

@KindaNewish said:

@ilikemonsters said:
I wasn't very appealed when Ian told me that the entire collection is/has been sent to CAC because if GC did not send a single coin from the collection to CAC, there would've been extremely strong prices for every coin. But now, what if something doesn't CAC? It'll probably sell for a fraction of what it would've if it wasn't ever sent to CAC. And same thing with green CAC's.

Personally I find old holders with stickers on them a bit unappealing, I like the holders to be clean, but I cannot deny the appeal of a gold CAC sticker!

Ya know, you can just peel them off.
Who has time to check everything on the CAC population page?

What about us who don't care about the "holder" or the "sticker"...….but only go by the "coin"?

Desert Moon · October 23, 2019 5:46PM

@BryceM said:

@tradedollarnut said:
IMO, I wouldn’t CAC a group like that. The mental downside to a green sticker vs gold outweighs the upside

I've been thinking about this....... TDN has a point. The gambler in all of us would be very excited by a bunch of rattlers that had never been tried. As a consignor, I'd be really tempted to not send them. It's the same reason they're still in rattlers, actually.

I believe there is still some upside. Even green beaned, if a gambler is willing to crack these thinking that they will upgrade, and chances are good they will, then they will still bid aggressively. Many have had experiences of getting a coin beaned again at different grades. JA has said that he thinks there are too many grades after all, and he is very concerned about the surfaces. So get a green bean old holdered coin, I'd say chances are good for an upgrade and another bean....

Plus we will see how many of them get gold. That will be interesting for sure.

Very happy that GC got this consignment over the competition, good for everyone IMO.

Best, SH

Proofmorgan · October 28, 2019 8:44AM

Any updates on when the items might start to be listed? Haven’t seen anything yet on the GC site

seanq · October 28, 2019 8:52AM

@DIMEMAN said:

@KindaNewish said:

@ilikemonsters said:
I wasn't very appealed when Ian told me that the entire collection is/has been sent to CAC because if GC did not send a single coin from the collection to CAC, there would've been extremely strong prices for every coin. But now, what if something doesn't CAC? It'll probably sell for a fraction of what it would've if it wasn't ever sent to CAC. And same thing with green CAC's.

Personally I find old holders with stickers on them a bit unappealing, I like the holders to be clean, but I cannot deny the appeal of a gold CAC sticker!

Ya know, you can just peel them off.
Who has time to check everything on the CAC population page?

What about us who don't care about the "holder" or the "sticker"...….but only go by the "coin"?

Yes, there are coins in all of the holders.

Sean Reynolds

ianrussell · October 28, 2019 1:47PM

@Proofmorgan said:
Any updates on when the items might start to be listed? Haven’t seen anything yet on the GC site

We're working on at the moment. Hoping to list at least half of the coins this week. And the PR is almost done - so that will list more of them as well.

It will live up to the name of the collection.

Ian

Proofmorgan · October 28, 2019 5:24PM

@ianrussell said:

@Proofmorgan said:
Any updates on when the items might start to be listed? Haven’t seen anything yet on the GC site

We're working on at the moment. Hoping to list at least half of the coins this week. And the PR is almost done - so that will list more of them as well.

It will live up to the name of the collection.

Ian

Thanks Ian!

joebb21 · October 30, 2019 5:20PM

@tradedollarnut said:
I’m a HUGE proponent of CAC. But for an original rattler hoard there’s no way that I would unless the collector had a terrible eye. A nice group of rattlers speak for themselves and the assumption will be that every coin will go up. Slap a green sticker on that and it may actually depress the price.

Bruce- I believe enough eye balls will be looking at the coins. I have seen many times coins that would not sticker as an ms65 get upgraded to ms66 or better. I have also seen countless amounts of coins with a green sticker still upgrade to the next grade.

The stickers will only help those who are not as good at grading. Those who know will not really care about the sticker if they are looking for upgrade

DelawareDoons · November 3, 2019 10:42AM

Any update?

panexpoguy · November 5, 2019 10:02AM

Looks like the quarter didn't CAC but the dime Ian mentioned got a gold bean

panexpoguy · November 5, 2019 10:22AM

Also, perhaps, and 1873 PR Quarter Motto No Arrows that got a gold bean and 1797 half and 1883 half PR that got green beans...can't wait to see the set.

topstuf · November 5, 2019 11:01AM

@toyz4geo said:
I foresee auction wars!

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johnny9434 · November 5, 2019 12:29PM

awesome

Walkerfan · November 5, 2019 12:33PM

@topstuf said:

@toyz4geo said:
I foresee auction wars!

??

YYUUUUUUUUPPPPPP!!

tradedollarnut · November 5, 2019 5:41PM

@panexpoguy said:
Looks like the quarter didn't CAC but the dime Ian mentioned got a gold bean

Poof. There went $100k

metalmeister · November 5, 2019 10:14PM

That Quarter! My goodness.

tradedollarnut · November 5, 2019 11:01PM

@metalmeister said:
That Quarter! My goodness.

There’s a reason that it didn’t sticker. Looks washed out to me

panexpoguy · November 6, 2019 12:58PM

@tradedollarnut said:

@panexpoguy said:
Looks like the quarter didn't CAC but the dime Ian mentioned got a gold bean

Poof. There went $100k

It is only fair to wait and count all the poofs and at least see the back of the quarter to see where things settle. Gold bean poofs move the bar in the opposite direction.

DelawareDoons · November 7, 2019 11:36AM

@tradedollarnut said:

@metalmeister said:
That Quarter! My goodness.

There’s a reason that it didn’t sticker. Looks washed out to me

Yes, I agree. I do not understand why everybody is crowing over it, the surfaces do not seem original to me from the images provided. The luster is probably quite muted.

Walkerfan · November 7, 2019 1:32PM

@DelawareDoons said:

@tradedollarnut said:

@metalmeister said:
That Quarter! My goodness.

There’s a reason that it didn’t sticker. Looks washed out to me

Yes, I agree. I do not understand why everybody is crowing over it, the surfaces do not seem original to me from the images provided. The luster is probably quite muted.

I still like it a lot, even knowing that it didn't sticker.

I'd still pay up for it, if I was in the hunt. JMHO.

panexpoguy · November 7, 2019 3:49PM

@Walkerfan said:

@DelawareDoons said:

@tradedollarnut said:

@metalmeister said:
That Quarter! My goodness.

There’s a reason that it didn’t sticker. Looks washed out to me

Yes, I agree. I do not understand why everybody is crowing over it, the surfaces do not seem original to me from the images provided. The luster is probably quite muted.

I still like it a lot, even knowing that it didn't sticker.

I'd still pay up for it, if I was in the hunt. JMHO.

And what if it didn't sticker because it had some inactive PVC on it? A quick bath in acetone and a reholder could bring dividends. Scenario like this with several coins might explain why no more info has appeared over at GC. Ian might be addressing these items to get them resubmitted.

DelawareDoons · November 7, 2019 4:57PM

@panexpoguy said:

@Walkerfan said:

@DelawareDoons said:

@tradedollarnut said:

@metalmeister said:
That Quarter! My goodness.

There’s a reason that it didn’t sticker. Looks washed out to me

Yes, I agree. I do not understand why everybody is crowing over it, the surfaces do not seem original to me from the images provided. The luster is probably quite muted.

I still like it a lot, even knowing that it didn't sticker.

I'd still pay up for it, if I was in the hunt. JMHO.

And what if it didn't sticker because it had some inactive PVC on it? A quick bath in acetone and a reholder could bring dividends. Scenario like this with several coins might explain why no more info has appeared over at GC. Ian might be addressing these items to get them resubmitted.

If that coin is being removed from the rattler, I would personally be conserving it with more than acetone to bring back some of the luster that is undoubtedly hiding under that coat of haze that appears to be on the coin.

Proofmorgan · November 7, 2019 7:30PM

If my memory serves me right, part of this set was due to be posted last week.....

Looking forward to seeing it.

Walkerfan · November 7, 2019 8:36PM

I highly doubt that Ian would crack the Rattler. It is far too risky and would destroy part of the coin's appeal.

CuKevin · November 7, 2019 10:53PM

@Walkerfan said:
I highly doubt that Ian would crack the Rattler. It is far too risky and would destroy part of the coin's appeal.

My thoughts as well

ilikemonsters · November 9, 2019 10:28AM

Any updates on when coins will be listed?

panexpoguy · November 12, 2019 9:48AM

At least part of the collection has been posted at GC if you care to look.

FranklinHalfAddict · November 12, 2019 10:55AM

@panexpoguy said:
At least part of the collection has been posted at GC if you care to look.

Do you have a link? I can’t find them on GC’s site.

FranklinHalfAddict · November 12, 2019 10:57AM

@panexpoguy said:
At least part of the collection has been posted at GC if you care to look.

Never mind. Found it:
https://www.greatcollections.com/search.php?q=Ultimate&mode=product&sort=01

Proofmorgan · November 12, 2019 12:15PM

Based on what has been posted it's just interesting how the collector how some top pop, blow out quality coins and at the other end of the spectrum some lower quality coins lacking originality. Maybe the collector was more disciplined at times than others....just such a wide range. Overall, amazing that something like this has come to market.

Aotearoa · November 12, 2019 12:19PM

That AU50 Chain Cent!

Meltdown · November 12, 2019 12:26PM

WTF? 68 day listings ???

jwitten · November 12, 2019 12:33PM

@Meltdown said:
WTF? 68 day listings ???

That kind of got me too. I guess I'll check back in a couple months. If I remember.

ianrussell · November 12, 2019 1:04PM

@Meltdown said:
WTF? 68 day listings ???

Sorry, they are not selling until January. Since we're going to start showing to people this week, we like them to be live so they can add to their watchlist etc.

Ian

DelawareDoons · November 12, 2019 1:40PM

@ianrussell said:

@Meltdown said:
WTF? 68 day listings ???

Sorry, they are not selling until January. Since we're going to start showing to people this week, we like them to be live so they can add to their watchlist etc.

Ian

It makes sense to me. A collection like this deserves some time to simmer.

I am sure the serious buyers will be right where they need to be in 68 days. I know I will be.

Walkerfan · November 12, 2019 1:42PM

@DelawareDoons said:

@ianrussell said:

@Meltdown said:
WTF? 68 day listings ???

Sorry, they are not selling until January. Since we're going to start showing to people this week, we like them to be live so they can add to their watchlist etc.

Ian

It makes sense to me. A collection like this deserves some time to simmer.

I am sure the serious buyers will be right where they need to be in 68 days. I know I will be.

Yep, it's good marketing.

Given that much time to stew, it should realize some VERY STRONG prices.

Meltdown · November 12, 2019 1:44PM

@ianrussell said:

@Meltdown said:
WTF? 68 day listings ???

Sorry, they are not selling until January. Since we're going to start showing to people this week, we like them to be live so they can add to their watchlist etc.

Ian

I suppose that makes sense and I appreciate the response.
I was ready to start drooling, drinking and bidding now though.

STEWARTBLAYNUMIS · November 12, 2019 1:59PM

Ian is also a collector
He is showing us one of his collections

KindaNewish · November 12, 2019 4:23PM

@KindaNewish said:
Ooh!
This is goona be good!

But I'm dying of antici

...pation.

ianrussell · November 12, 2019 4:25PM

@Meltdown said:

@ianrussell said:

@Meltdown said:
WTF? 68 day listings ???

Sorry, they are not selling until January. Since we're going to start showing to people this week, we like them to be live so they can add to their watchlist etc.

Ian

I suppose that makes sense and I appreciate the response.
I was ready to start drooling, drinking and bidding now though.

You still can.

On my way to Baltimore!

Ian

Drizzt · November 21, 2019 8:19AM

Everything going ok at GC? No wildfires I hope...

ianrussell · November 21, 2019 2:05PM

@Drizzt said:
Everything going ok at GC? No wildfires I hope...

Thanks - the fires are not close to use luckily. Many miles of concrete between them and us.

Ian

KindaNewish · January 19, 2020 5:17PM

Superb results so far!

The Ultimate Rattler collection

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