Let's see those half dimes

yosclimber · October 16, 2019 5:41AM

@toyonakataro said:

Pretty cool brockage!

I wonder if anyone can guess the date of this coin ？

I can't narrow it down further than 1840 - 1859.
I don't see a mint mark or any die cracks to help provide a date.
Is there something you see on it which helps?

P.S. I have seen your registry set at NGC and you have some very nice half dimes.

BustDMs · October 16, 2019 12:58PM

@toyonakataro said:

I wonder if anyone can guess the date of this coin ？

I would guess 1857.

Insider2 · October 16, 2019 3:54PM

yosclimber · October 16, 2019 4:01PM

@Insider2 said:

Someone was trying to make two quarter dimes?
I have seen pieces of half dimes which apparently were used as small change.

Kliao · October 16, 2019 4:03PM

@yosclimber said:

@Insider2 said:

Someone was trying to make two quarter dimes?
I have seen pieces of half dimes which apparently were used as small change.

Well...... half-half-dime

Insider2 · October 16, 2019 5:01PM

This is a die struck C/f that the dealer mutilated before giving me a bunch of counterfeits. I've got three more like it somewhere.

Kliao · October 16, 2019 5:06PM

@Insider2 said:
This is a die struck C/f that the dealer mutilated before giving me a bunch of counterfeits. I've got three more like it somewhere.

Why would a dealer do that?!?

yosclimber · October 16, 2019 5:26PM

@BustDMs said:

@toyonakataro said:

I wonder if anyone can guess the date of this coin ？

I would guess 1857.

Could be. It does seem to have some flatness in the dentils, like is common on 1856 and 1857.
But it could also be due to wear.

SkyMan · October 16, 2019 5:40PM

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REALGATOR · October 16, 2019 6:07PM

P0CKETCHANGE · October 16, 2019 6:34PM

@SkyMan said:

You can see part of the other side on each side of this coin. Ex., the shield lines between the H and A in HALF. What is it called when that happens, and why does that happen to some coins but not others?

Kliao · October 16, 2019 6:37PM

@P0CKETCHANGE said:

@SkyMan said:

You can see part of the other side on each side of this coin. Ex., the shield lines between the H and A in HALF. What is it called when that happens, and why does that happen to some coins but not others?

Die clashes

P0CKETCHANGE · October 16, 2019 6:41PM

@P0CKETCHANGE said:
You can see part of the other side on each side of this coin. Ex., the shield lines between the H and A in HALF. What is it called when that happens, and why does that happen to some coins but not others?

@Kliao said:
Die clashes

Right! Thank you @Kliao

yosclimber · October 16, 2019 7:06PM

@SkyMan said:

@P0CKETCHANGE said:
You can see part of the other side on each side of this coin. Ex., the shield lines between the H and A in HALF. What is it called when that happens, and why does that happen to some coins but not others?

As you suggest, the die clashes are often visible in many places:

M in lap and E under elbow / pole
> head < on either side of head
line from base of Ms. Liberty under STATES (sometimes the date shows up here, too)
diagonal line through F M of HALF DIME from the right side of Ms. Liberty

I also recognize this very nice 1858-O as the V-5 die pair:

horizontal cracks from stars 5 and 9 to dentils
reverse cracks at top left of R to dentils, and top of last A in AMERICA to dentils

At R-3 the V-5 is the most common of the 10 known die pairs.

MathandBikes · October 16, 2019 9:04PM

This is certainly top 5 for my favorite coins in my type set. I like the look in hand even better than the TV but unfortunately I have no coin photoing skills.

yosclimber · October 16, 2019 10:28PM

Definitely a nice one.
It is also the plate coin for the V-6u (R-6) die pair in my 1847 half dime attribution guide!
In a later die state (V-6ua), the reverse develops a crack from U into the wreath, all the way through the A in STATES, which is the third of three 1847 cracked reverses described by Stephen Crain in his 2015 article.
https://sites.google.com/view/clintcummins/half-dime-attribution-guide

oih82w8 · October 17, 2019 5:27AM

@yosclimber said:

@P0CKETCHANGE said:

Beautiful coins on here, as usual. Just picked up my first half dime for my type set, 20 full years into collecting. This example is AU58 PCGS & CAC, and the beautiful toning caught my eye while the non-MS grade kept the price within my budget.

Nice one.
I recognize it as the V-8 die pair, based on the obverse rim cud / chip from K3 to K7, repunched star 3,
reverse cracks at F, M, I2 and long dentils under bow.
And formerly owned by @oih82w8 !

Yes, she used to mine, in a moment of weakness I had to set her free. We parted ways earlier this year in Denver.

yosclimber · October 17, 2019 1:49PM

@REALGATOR said:

The infamous "Coin without a Country"! (Ditto for the 1859 and the dime versions).
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/980840/1860-h10c-coin-without-a-country-gfrc
I counted 38 different coins from this die pair in auction photos when I made the 1860 guide.
I don't recognize this one, but that's no surprise - many of those in auctions only appeared once,
so they tend to be held long term.
It's a good survival rate from the 100 minted, probably because they went directly to collectors
and people took good care of them because they knew the rarity / value.

P0CKETCHANGE · October 17, 2019 5:34PM

@oih82w8 said:
Yes, she used to mine, in a moment of weakness I had to set her free. We parted ways earlier this year in Denver.

She will be treated like a queen, @oih82w8

Let's see those half dimes

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